In a message dated Thu, 14 Jun 2001 3:54:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net> writes: << At 12:38 PM -0800 6/14/01, Bernie Benz wrote: >Mann, that's just like Fram! > >Bernie What? Shirley you're joking? Phil >> He clearly said "Bernie", not Shirley. Pricing sure seems like Fram. Chris