[200q20v] Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
Calvin & Diana Craig
calvinlc at earthlink.net
Wed May 2 20:51:05 EDT 2001
OK, here's the scoop on the '91 Tranny thing. I sent an email to the Robert
... guy and I got a response a couple of days later saying he no longer is
with the company. I don't know if anyone else has info. on where he might
have gone to. After hunting down used ones for $2500, new ones for much
more from Audi, $8k or so quoted from 2 dealers, I found the cheapest option
was getting it rebuilt. There is a company in Oregon called German
Transaxle. I believe the final cost for mine was about $2200. This was for
a lot of hard parts, though, including a new Torsen. Another guy that had
one rebuilt there that was not as seriously in need of repair was like
$1800. The shipping is cheapest if you get them to pay it both ways and
they bill you for it (since the tranny weighs over the 150 lb UPS limit).
As far as my mechanic knows, these are the only people in the country with a
significant supply of "hard parts" for reasonable dollars....of course they
won't just sell you the parts. I just got mine back about two weeks ago and
it works better than it ever did before. Turnaround time was only about 1
week. Hope this helps. One other thing that the mechanic I go to says
(Audi Master Mechanic with 25 years exp. on Porsches & Audis) is that before
the factory switched to synthetic oil he NEVER saw a manual tranny fail. He
has replaced or rebuilt about 20 trannies since, not ONE of them had been
running dinosaur oil at the time of failure. PS, I have dinosaur oil in
mine now :)
--Calvin
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Today's Topics:
1. tire pressure to reduce understeer (Vztante at aol.com)
2. ABS sensor prices (Charles Baer)
3. Re: ABS sensor prices (Rob Winchell)
4. Re: ABS sensor prices (C1J1Miller at aol.com)
5. Re: Alternator Rebuild (Dale McCormack)
6. Re: ABS sensor prices (Phil Rose)
7. [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (Arun Rao)
8. Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (C1J1Miller at aol.com)
9. Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (Brett Dikeman)
10. Re: ABS sensor prices (Rob Winchell)
11. Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (Mike Miller)
12. re: 200q20v spotted in Boston (C1J1Miller at aol.com)
13. RE: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (Peer Oliver Schmidt)
14. Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (Arun Rao)
15. Re: Brake ducting (Paul Friedenberg)
16. Re: [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions? (C1J1Miller at aol.com)
17. Wire EDM machine available for 200q20v parts
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Message: 1
From: Vztante at aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:57:37 EDT
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
Subject: [200q20v] tire pressure to reduce understeer
I have Dunlop Sport D40 M2 tires (215/60-ZR15). It says max psi of 44 on the
sidewall. The gas filler door states 36f/36/r as recommended settings for
the stock tires under medium to light load. I haven't checked my pressure
lately, but I have noticed that the sidewalls are scrubbed quite
significantly. I drive hard through the twisties.
I'd like to adjust pressure to counter understeer. I'm assuming that higher
relative pressure in the rear will help in this regard. I did the opposite
with my RWD Miata for a noticeable reduction of oversteer. However, I've
noticed from the Audifans archives that many Audi Quattro drivers recommend
2-4 psi more in the front than in the rear.
Is this due to the fact that there is relatively more weight(59%/41%) over
the front wheels than, say, in a Miata?
I'm interested in knowing what pressures you are using and for what purpose?
What would you recommend to diminish the understeer?
I'm thinking of starting out with 36 in front and 40 in back.
Mitch Frey
'00 A6 2.7t
'91 200tq20v IA Stage 3
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:21:29 -0600
From: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>
Organization: Istari Technologies
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
Subject: [200q20v] ABS sensor prices
I could of sworn I saw a $50 price claimed in the archives for ABS
sensors, the Boulder dealer says $170.
I already know I have a wretched memory, but I don't want to blow
2Cbucks if they are available for less.
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rob Winchell <rbwinchell at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [200q20v] ABS sensor prices
To: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>, 200q20v at audifans.com
The cheapest I could find was $75 for used ones, so
$50 new would be pretty unlikely.
Rob Winchell
200q20v
--- Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com> wrote:
> I could of sworn I saw a $50 price claimed in the
> archives for ABS
> sensors, the Boulder dealer says $170.
>
> I already know I have a wretched memory, but I don't
> want to blow
> 2Cbucks if they are available for less.
>
>
> Charlie
>
> --
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> human. At
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Message: 4
From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:34:56 EDT
Subject: Re: [200q20v] ABS sensor prices
To: <rbwinchell at yahoo.com>, <charlie at istari.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
Check with the fiche, and see what other cars the sensor matches with; then
hit a pick 'n pull yard. get several "misc. wiring harness" parts.
Chris
In a message dated Tue, 1 May 2001 2:32:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rob
Winchell <rbwinchell at yahoo.com> writes:
<< The cheapest I could find was $75 for used ones, so
$50 new would be pretty unlikely.
Rob Winchell
200q20v
--- Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com> wrote:
> I could of sworn I saw a $50 price claimed in the
> archives for ABS
> sensors, the Boulder dealer says $170.
>
> I already know I have a wretched memory, but I don't
> want to blow
> 2Cbucks if they are available for less.
>
>
> Charlie
>
> --
> Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully
> human. At
> best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned
> to wear shoes,
> bathe, and not make messes in the house.
> - Lazarus Long
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:48:40 -0500
From: Dale McCormack <dale at themccormacks.org>
Organization: Strategic Business Systems, Inc.
To: 200q20v at audifans.com, pwaterloo at compuserve.com
Subject: [200q20v] Re: Alternator Rebuild
The brushes are available for less than five bucks from the dealer. No
need for alternator removal either. Not a bad idea to disconnect the
battery, but can be done easily by taping the wires as their
disassembled.
Check Avi Meron's total alternator rebuild service in the Marketplace
and you can end up with more amps too. He does the bearing replacement
as well as upgraded diodes, etc.
Best regards,
Dale
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:54:13 -0400
To: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>, 200q20v at audifans.com
From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [200q20v] ABS sensor prices
At 12:21 PM -0600 5/1/01, Charles Baer wrote:
>I could of sworn I saw a $50 price claimed in the archives for ABS
>sensors, the Boulder dealer says $170.
>
>I already know I have a wretched memory, but I don't want to blow
>2Cbucks if they are available for less.
At least check the price at Carlsen Audi (Linda or Didi). They're
likely to be at least 25-30% cheaper than your local dealer. Not
available from TPD???? I wouldn't be surprised if Audi uses a generic
ABS sensor--similar to the situation with the oxy sensor.
Phil
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:57:11 -0700
From: Arun Rao <rao at pixar.com>
Organization: Pixar Animation Studios
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
CC: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
I reported last week what seemed to be a blown clutch on my '91 200Q
(137K). Well, my mechanic has the clutch and the tranny out, and the
culprit appears to be the transmission (sob!). There's apparently the
sound of some breakage inside when you rotate the shaft. The clutch
shows wear, but nothing abnormal.
So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
Help is greatly appreciated.
-Arun "grind, grind, ouch$$" Rao
--
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Pixar Animation Studios
1200 Park Ave
Emeryville, CA 94608
(510) 752-3526
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Message: 8
From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:04:15 EDT
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
To: <rao at pixar.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
For a while, there were brand new units available from germany; think that
source is entirely dried up. Might find a used 6-speed or other fun item,
though.
See here:
http://www.s-cars.org/Classifieds/Listings/MISC-PARTS/RobertB/robertb.html
HTH< Chris Miller, Windham NH, c1j1miller at aol.com
In a message dated Tue, 1 May 2001 3:01:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Arun
Rao <rao at pixar.com> writes:
<< I reported last week what seemed to be a blown clutch on my '91 200Q
(137K). Well, my mechanic has the clutch and the tranny out, and the
culprit appears to be the transmission (sob!). There's apparently the
sound of some breakage inside when you rotate the shaft. The clutch
shows wear, but nothing abnormal.
So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
Help is greatly appreciated.
-Arun "grind, grind, ouch$$" Rao
--
Arun Rao
Pixar Animation Studios
1200 Park Ave
Emeryville, CA 94608
(510) 752-3526
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Dikeman <brett at brettd.dsl.speakeasy.net>
To: Arun Rao <rao at pixar.com>
Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
There is a gent in germany who bought up a boatload of Audi trannies from
Audi. I suggest contacting him and comparing cost of a rebuild to the
cost of getting a tranny from him. A few listers have already aquired
units from him and can probably give you their exact costs.
Brett
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Arun Rao wrote:
> So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
> or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rob Winchell <rbwinchell at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [200q20v] ABS sensor prices
To: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>, Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>,
200q20v at audifans.com
> At least check the price at Carlsen Audi (Linda or
> Didi). They're
> likely to be at least 25-30% cheaper than your local
> dealer. Not
> available from TPD???? I wouldn't be surprised if
> Audi uses a generic
> ABS sensor--similar to the situation with the oxy
> sensor.
Note that the ABS sensors have rubber grommets on the
wire harness. While the sensors are the same across a
bunch of cars, the grommets are in different places
and will not fit into the slots on our cars. Not a big
deal, just though you might be interested.
Rob Winchell
200q20v
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Message: 11
From: "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
To: "Arun Rao" <rao at pixar.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:22:44 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arun Rao" <rao at pixar.com>
> I reported last week what seemed to be a blown clutch on my '91 200Q
> (137K). Well, my mechanic has the clutch and the tranny out, and the
> culprit appears to be the transmission (sob!). There's apparently the
> sound of some breakage inside when you rotate the shaft. The clutch
> shows wear, but nothing abnormal.
>
> So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
> or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
>
> Help is greatly appreciated.
>
> -Arun "grind, grind, ouch$$" Rao
Arun,
I got a new one from Robert Braunschweig in Germany. I had a growling sound
in all gears that was suspected to be the input shaft bearings. The only
email I have for him is this one: : rbraun at transtec.de and I am not sure if
it is still valid. Here's his phone number at Transtec: Tel.:
+49(0)7071/703-852.
It cost me $700 for the tranny and ~$190 for the shipping to Great Falls,
MT. - I did the customs myself and saved a couple hundered bucks I am told -
very easy to do yourself. Shop here (Missoula) charged me about $500 for the
R&R - All told it was less than $1500 installed. About 16 months prior to
that, I had 2nd gear replaced at a cost of about $1800 as I recall and 2
months after that, 5th gear synchro went to the tune of $1300. I wasn't
going to have mine worked on 3 times in less than 2 yrs!!
mike miller
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From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:07:16 EDT
To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
Subject: [200q20v] re: 200q20v spotted in Boston
.. sporting Missouri plates. Actually, it was on a side street in
Sommerville, about 3:15 pm...woman driving, stuck behind a garbage truck.
Anyone on vaca in Boston?
Chris
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Message: 13
From: "Peer Oliver Schmidt" <pos at theinternet.de>
To: "'Mike Miller'" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>, "'Arun Rao'" <rao at pixar.com>,
<200q20v at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:06:47 +0100
As far as I know, Robert no longer has the original ADZ, but I think he
might be able to get some AOB, which supposedly should work on the 200q20v
(originally it is from the 200q10v)
HTH
rgds
pos
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Behalf Of Mike Miller
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:23 PM
To: Arun Rao; 200q20v at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arun Rao" <rao at pixar.com>
> I reported last week what seemed to be a blown clutch on my '91 200Q
> (137K). Well, my mechanic has the clutch and the tranny out, and the
> culprit appears to be the transmission (sob!). There's apparently the
> sound of some breakage inside when you rotate the shaft. The clutch
> shows wear, but nothing abnormal.
>
> So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
> or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
>
> Help is greatly appreciated.
>
> -Arun "grind, grind, ouch$$" Rao
Arun,
I got a new one from Robert Braunschweig in Germany. I had a growling sound
in all gears that was suspected to be the input shaft bearings. The only
email I have for him is this one: : rbraun at transtec.de and I am not sure if
it is still valid. Here's his phone number at Transtec: Tel.:
+49(0)7071/703-852.
It cost me $700 for the tranny and ~$190 for the shipping to Great Falls,
MT. - I did the customs myself and saved a couple hundered bucks I am told -
very easy to do yourself. Shop here (Missoula) charged me about $500 for the
R&R - All told it was less than $1500 installed. About 16 months prior to
that, I had 2nd gear replaced at a cost of about $1800 as I recall and 2
months after that, 5th gear synchro went to the tune of $1300. I wasn't
going to have mine worked on 3 times in less than 2 yrs!!
mike miller
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:25:57 -0700
From: Arun Rao <rao at pixar.com>
Organization: Pixar Animation Studios
To: 200q20v at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
Thanks for all the tips, guys -- I have a call in to Robert
Braunschweig, and am exploring rebuilding options.
I went and took a look at the tranny -- it makes a clicking sound which
sounds very much like a broken ball race in a bearing. There were metal
pieces on the magnet, but there's no telling where they came from.
I'll keep y'all posted ... thanks, again!
-Arun
Arun Rao wrote:
>
[..]
> So ... I'm faced with the prospect of having the transmission rebuilt,
> or buying a new/rebuilt one. Any suggestions as to sources?
--
Arun Rao
Pixar Animation Studios
1200 Park Ave
Emeryville, CA 94608
(510) 752-3526
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Message: 15
From: "Paul Friedenberg" <paulcsu at hotmail.com>
To: linust at mindspring.com
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [200q20v] Brake ducting
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:54:06
<html><DIV>
<P>I was able to open up the front of the brake duct by using a longish bolt
with a flat head, and tightening two bolts, one on each side of the lower
level of plastic(hope this makes sense) I was able to open it up about an
extra inch.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Linus Toy <LINUST at MINDSPRING.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "TM" <T44TQ at MINDSPRING.COM>, "S-Car-List"
<S-CAR-LIST at YAHOOGROUPS.COM>, "200q20v Mailing List"
<200q20v at audifans.com>, "Quattro List" <QUATTRO at AUDIFANS.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [200q20v] Brake ducting
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:19:25 -0700
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>At 09:39 AM 4/29/2001 -0400, TM wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>>Listers,
<DIV></DIV>>>I've asked this on Audiworld w/o getting a good answer
(this
<DIV></DIV>>>was for an A4 that I asked the question), but now I'm
asking
<DIV></DIV>>>for the '91 200q.
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>>Have any listers come up with a good brake ducting
solution for
<DIV></DIV>>>the '91 200q? Before you mention it, yes, I know that the
car
<DIV></DIV>>>has factory brake ducting, but those "ducts" look like
big flat
<DIV></DIV>>>rectangular tubes. Are these sufficient to keep the
brakes cool
<DIV></DIV>>>for use on the track, or can they be improved upon?
<DIV></DIV>>snip...
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Taka--
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>One simple solution I've seen is to simply open up the
leading edge
<DIV></DIV>>of the
<DIV></DIV>>factory ducts with a small spacer. The factory ducts
typically get
<DIV></DIV>>smashed
<DIV></DIV>>into a flatter rectangle after losing encounters with curbs,
snow
<DIV></DIV>>banks,
<DIV></DIV>>and the like. I haven't tried this yet, but another 200q20v
owner
<DIV></DIV>>around
<DIV></DIV>>here fashioned simple spacers and reports good (improved)
results.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>HTH
<DIV></DIV>>--Linus
<DIV></DIV>>*------------------------------------------------------------
--------*
<DIV></DIV>>* Linus Toy Insanity is doing the same thing
<DIV></DIV>>*
<DIV></DIV>>* Mercer Island, WA you've always done and expecting
<DIV></DIV>>*
<DIV></DIV>>* linust at mindspring.com different results
<DIV></DIV>>*
<DIV></DIV>>* - Roger Milliken
<DIV></DIV>>*
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From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:29:10 EDT
Subject: Re: [200q20v] [200Q]: Transmission rebuild suggestions?
To: pos at theinternet.de, MikeMilr at blackfoot.net, rao at pixar.com,
200q20v at audifans.com
In a message dated 5/1/01 5:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pos at theinternet.de writes:
> As far as I know, Robert no longer has the original ADZ, but I think he
> might be able to get some AOB, which supposedly should work on the
200q20v
> (originally it is from the 200q10v)
>
> HTH
> rgds
> pos
I'm pretty sure the '91 200q20v has a different final drive ratio, so unless
you're also changing the rear diff, that won't work. The non-turbo might,
though.
Chris
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hot_Grips=AE_Jim_Hollander?= <hotgrips at cyberportal.net>
To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:39:14 -0400
Subject: [200q20v] Wire EDM machine available for 200q20v parts
We have a new Brother Wire EDM machine that is not in use much, and can be
used to make steel (I'd rather not contaminate the filters with aluminum
work) parts for the '91 200q20v if anyone has any suggestions. It's
capacity is X=10" Y=16" Z=6"
I would be willing to make prototype parts in exchange for the sharing of
the technical information. Located in New Hampshire. I have a '91 200q20v
with 25k miles and a '01 S-8 with 300 miles.
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