New Member, Not a new Audi owner

[Chris Covington]

How is it not relevant?  I got free new struts, as part of the G60 swap.
Thus the cost saving / fat wallet issue is revisited - I saved
more $$$ there as well.  The bottom line is you paid twice as much for
brake pads as I did, and you had to pay for new struts - I did not.  Who
has the fat wallet?

Chris
'91 200q20v


On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:

> Struts No.  Strut inserts (shocks) yes, but that is irrelevant to the brake
> issue.
>
> Bernie
>
> > From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> >
> > You've never had to replace your struts?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> >
> >> Chris,  In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new pads for
> >> my UFOs, that's all.  So, the G60s were a free downgrade!  Was that good?
> >> Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >>
> >>> From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> >>> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>, 200q20V mailing list
> >>> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> >>>
> >>> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to afford the
> >>> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s.  So when the G60s
> >>> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new struts,
> >>> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
> >>> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
> >>> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
> >>>
> >>> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more like
> >>> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.  But
> >>> I don't.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>> '91 200q20v
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Not suprising.  I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s because of
> >>>> the
> >>>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter, piston
> >>>> area remains the same.  Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque and
> >>>> heat
> >>>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but paying for,
> >>>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
> >>>> comprehension.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bernie
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
> >>>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.  Ultimately
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake smoothly and
> >>>>> consistently.  And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive.  That's why it
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> changed under warranty.  I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4 either but
> >>>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm pedal
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> fairly strong stopping power.  I just wouldn't trust them at the track.
> >>>>> But
> >>>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget will allow
> >>>>> it.  The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at prodigy.net]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
> >>>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
> >>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Two comments, Dave.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade, not an
> >>>>> upgrade in braking performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rotary shaft seals:  If a seal is leaking and no other internal symptoms,
> >>>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the rear end,
> >>>>> and the other half into the tranny.  Of course this works on engine shaft
> >>>>> seals also.  Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bernie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
> >>>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
> >>>>>> understand
> >>>>>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me) '91 200
> >>>>> TQ
> >>>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago) with Grey
> >>>>>> leather and 114,000 miles.  The body and interior are in excellent shape
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a Hoppen
> >>>>> chip.
> >>>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because I also
> >>>>> own
> >>>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list.  I've include my original post to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's my problem:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal.  Is this a
> >>>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost big bucks?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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