New Member, Not a new Audi owner
Freed, David (Exchange)
dfreed at bear.com
Thu Jun 13 14:03:56 EDT 2002
Wow, you guys slag each other as much as they do on the S-Car list. I feel
at home here.
I must congratulate Bernie on the record for cheapest UFO brake maintenance
costs I've ever seen. I can't even do that well with my G60's. Never even
a rotor replaced or warped? I'd never want to upgrade if I could do that.
I had to replace all 4 rotors on my last S4 brake job at 80,000 miles. 4
cross-drilled rotors and Mintex pads was about $325 plus my time.
The reason these got upgraded at 18,000 miles is the dealer couldn't stop
the major amount of brake pulsing from (I assume) warped rotors. The dealer
should know how to make them work and couldn't. So much for dealer
capabilities (No one here looks surprised at that). Yes the conversion to
Big Reds is now available for UFO's but they aren't much more expensive than
the S4 struts. It's just plain expensive to go Big Reds. Worth it but
costly. And even good UFO's don't hold a candle to Porsche Turbo brakes.
If only Audi put that quality on our cars originally. Can anyone say RS6 - 8
piston calipers on all Audis. Then call AoA and convince them. And the RS6
could get Big Yellow ceramic brakes as stock. Audi brakes have always been
their weak point, especially with the engine hanging so far out front.
Dave
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Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:13 PM
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Subject: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #983 - 1 msg
Today's Topics:
1. Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner (Bernie Benz)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:40:14 -0700
Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
From: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
To: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
So, you've lived with your free brake downgrade for how many years, because
you may at some point in the future spring for an expensive brake upgrade,
which is now available for the UFO system also?
Bernie
> From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>
> Oh, and another plus of going with the G60 free swapout is that not only
> do you get a new front braking system, and struts, but you also get a
> cheaper / more hassle-free upgrade path to Porsche brakes. All that for
> free.
>
> Chris
> '91 200q20v
>
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>
>> Chris, In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new pads
for
>> my UFOs, that's all. So, the G60s were a free downgrade! Was that good?
>> Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>>> From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
>>> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
>>> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>, 200q20V mailing list
>>> <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>
>>> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to afford
the
>>> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s. So when the G60s
>>> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new
struts,
>>> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
>>> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
>>> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more like
>>> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.
But
>>> I don't.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> '91 200q20v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not suprising. I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s because
of
>>>> the
>>>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter,
piston
>>>> area remains the same. Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque and
>>>> heat
>>>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but paying
for,
>>>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
>>>> comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> Bernie
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
>>>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
>>>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.
Ultimately
>>>>> the
>>>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake smoothly
and
>>>>> consistently. And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive. That's why
it
>>>>> was
>>>>> changed under warranty. I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4 either
but
>>>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm
pedal
>>>>> with
>>>>> fairly strong stopping power. I just wouldn't trust them at the
track.
>>>>> But
>>>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget will
allow
>>>>> it. The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at prodigy.net]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
>>>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
>>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>>
>>>>> Two comments, Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade, not
an
>>>>> upgrade in braking performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rotary shaft seals: If a seal is leaking and no other internal
symptoms,
>>>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the rear
end,
>>>>> and the other half into the tranny. Of course this works on engine
shaft
>>>>> seals also. Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
>>>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me) '91
200
>>>>> TQ
>>>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago) with
Grey
>>>>>> leather and 114,000 miles. The body and interior are in excellent
shape
>>>>> and
>>>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a
Hoppen
>>>>> chip.
>>>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because I
also
>>>>> own
>>>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list. I've include my original post
to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's my problem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal. Is
this a
>>>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost big
bucks?
>>>>>>
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