Bump Starting

[Kneale Brownson]

Thanks, again, Henry.  So if I have another 332 014 156 relay around that
MIGHT fix the current problem?  If not, I'd use two separate wire loops
with spade connectors on the ends to make the jumpers you suggest?

At 06:48 PM 11/30/2002 -0700, Henry A Harper III wrote:

>Ah, relay #8 is described in Bentley as the "anti-theft relay" - it would
>be supposed to prevent you from starting the car after the alarm was
>activated, looks like the starter solenoid activation track does run
>through it from the ignition switch. Looks like you could remove relay #8
>and jumper terminal 38/30 to terminal 36/87 if you want to remove the
>anti-theft system's control over the starter. (vol 3, page 537) The
>lock-out-all-other-things-during-starter-operation relay is also known as
>the load reduction relay, it is #5 underhood. That one just happens to
>power a lot of things (headlights, horn, etc.) and just it isn't turned on
>when the key is in start position.
>
>Henry
>
>On Saturday, November 30, 2002 5:20 PM, Kneale Brownson
>[SMTP:knotnook at traverse.com] wrote:
> > Thanks, Henry.  Perhaps I misunderstood Audi's labeling of the relay in
> > Position 8 of the underhood relay/fuse box.  Relay Part # 332 014 156 is
> > called something like "starter lock-out".  Maybe its purpose is to lock
>out
> > all other electrical functions during starter use and it doesn't prevent
> > the starter itself from operating????
> >
> > At 02:56 PM 11/30/2002 -0700, Henry A Harper III wrote:
> >
> > >I don't think there is such a relay on our (VW-Audi) cars. The ignition
> > >switch is designed to only allow one start actuation per off->run cycle
> > >(it's spring-loaded). If you can turn off the ignition and turn the key
> > >back to start before the engine stops, or not quite release the key all
>the
> > >way in the run position and hit start again, I think you could get some
> > >expensive-sounding grinding noises.
> > >
> > >HTH
> > >Henry Harper
> > >http://www.henry-harper.com  hah at alumni.rice.edu
> > >1991 200 quattro, 116k
> > >1988 GTI 16v, 233k
> > >
> > >On Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:29 AM, Kneale Brownson
> > >[SMTP:knotnook at traverse.com] wrote:
> > > > I didn't try a jump start because in the past, when the battery has
>not
> > > > been up to spark potential,  the starter solenoid would click or
> > > > something.  I'm getting no indication the "start" command is going
>from
> > >the
> > > > ignition key to the starter.
> > > >
> > > > Would the lock-out relay (the one that won't let you activate the
>starter
> > > > while the engine is running) cause the symptoms I've got?  Is one of
>the
> > > > relays under the dash a potential suspect?
> > > >
> > > > At 09:17 AM 11/30/2002 -0500, Ingo Rautenberg wrote:
> > > > >Kneale,
> > > > >
> > > > >Don't know how things turned out, but I wouldn't hesitate with the
>bump
> > > > >starting, especially considering the dual cats and Motronic (maybe
>I'm
> > >just
> > > > >crazy ;-) .  So nothing changed when you attempted a jump start?
> > >  Curious.
> > > > >These cars are tough on batteries and even one that's slightly
> > >discharged or
> > > > >has a bad cell can "appear" to be good.
> > > > >
> > > > >Keep us appraised.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ingo
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Kneale Brownson" <knotnook at traverse.com>
> > > > >To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:43 PM
> > > > >Subject: Bump Starting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was thinking of bumpstarting my 200q20v with the nonresponsive
> > >starter
> > > > >to
> > > > > > get it home to work on, but the Bentley warns against doing that.
> > >  Says
> > > > > > it's not good for the catalytic converter and "might damage other
> > > > > > parts".  I could see how a bunch of raw gas going into the cat
> > >wouldn't be
> > > > > > good for it, but my car was running great before I parked it, so
>I'd
> > >think
> > > > > > it would fire right up with just a couple turnovers via the gear
> > > > > > train.  What else might get damaged?  I'm thinking of towing at
>just
> > >a
> > > > > > couple miles an hour and letting the clutch out in fourth gear.
> > > > > >
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