Stiff clutch pedal = failing clutch?

Sun May 4 02:33:30 EDT 2003

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I took my my 200q20v with 140k for some other issues, and was told that the
stiff clutch pedal meant that the clutch would need to be replaced soon.

Hmm. that hasn't been my experience with my other Audis.  Often times the
clutch cable needs to be lubricated or adjusted. Are these cars different?
What have other people experienced as symptoms of clutch failure?

TIA,

Jacob, 200q20v, 1987.5 cpe gt 240K

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> 2. Re: What is this? (Kneale Brownson)
> 3. Re: Parking Brake Cable Adjust (Phil Rose)
> 4. How do I tell for sure what model I have (Mark Martens)
> 5. RE: What is this? (Richard Tanimura)
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>Message: 1
>From: QSHIPQ at aol.com
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:25:15 EDT
>Subject: Re: What is this?
>To: knotnook at traverse.com, Richard at Tanimuras.com,
> 200q20v at audifans.com
>
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>From the looks of the pic, I would guess that to be the trim piece that sits
>on the back of the rear timing belt cover. Specifically I believe that piece
>actually surrounds the opening of the water pump in the back cover. I'm with
>the thinking that this has nothing to do with your oil leak. As a rule v
>"gaskets" are trim only, and are only for helping keep the elements out of a
>specific area on the engine and to prevent vibration noises.
>
>HTH
>
>Scott Justusson
>In a message dated 5/3/2003 8:03:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
>knotnook at traverse.com writes:
>
>At 11:14 AM 05/03/2003 +0200, Richard Tanimura wrote:
> >I found this broken gasket while changing my timing belt and v-belts on my
> >3B (I5 type motor)
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/rictan302/gasket.JPG
> >
> >It's 80 mm in diameter = 3 in. If you slice throught the gasket, it has a
> >"V" cross section. There are traces of caked oil on it. All I know is since
> >I discovered it, my car leaks oil.
> >
> >Where does it come from? Can it be the reason for my oil leak?
>
>Don't recognize the seal, but did the engine leak oil before you did the
>timing belt? If not, did you put a thread sealant on the longer bolts that
>hold the back cover onto the block? Failure to seal the threads on some of
>those bolts can lead to a leak.
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 10:47:03 -0400
>To: QSHIPQ at aol.com, Richard at Tanimuras.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>From: Kneale Brownson
>Subject: Re: What is this?
>
>Ah, yes, I remember the rubber trim pieces for the covers now. I took them
>off the covers to have all the rusty metal sandblasted and painted. Put
>them back on, too, of course, but had forgotten about the circular one.
>
>At 09:25 AM 05/03/2003 -0400, QSHIPQ at aol.com wrote:
> > From the looks of the pic, I would guess that to be the trim piece that
> > sits on the back of the rear timing belt cover. Specifically I believe
> > that piece actually surrounds the opening of the water pump in the back
> > cover. I'm with the thinking that this has nothing to do with your oil
> > leak. As a rule v "gaskets" are trim only, and are only for helping keep
> > the elements out of a specific area on the engine and to prevent
> > vibration noises.
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:54:13 -0400
>To: spsherm at attglobal.net
>From: Phil Rose
>Subject: Re: Parking Brake Cable Adjust
>Cc: 20v <200q20v at audifans.com>
>
>Steve,
>Hah! You missed seeing all of those numerous "e-brake" postings over
>just the last 24 hours?
>
>Your problem is a common one in Audi models of this era--most likely
>caused by either (or both) of two things: (1) brake cables are seized
>by effects of corrosion, etc. and need replacement, and/or (2) the
>(internal) e-brake cam actuator in the rear caliper prevents the
>proper release of the piston. The inability of the brake piston to
>release is caused by loss of adequate internal cam
>lubrication--coupled with the fact that Audi rear brakes have an
>external "return" spring that is notorious for being very weak. As a
>result of these factors, the cable is unable to be returned to it's
>normal rest position.
>
>So, chances are that you require cable replacement and/or rear
>calipers rebuilt or replaced (esp. if all you had done is pads and
>rotors and the calipers are the original ones). I've replaced my
>rear calipers, while others have managed to dissassemble the unit and
>relubricate the internals. I doubt that dissassembly and relubing is
>something that's cost-effective for a shop to do (relative to
>installing a rebuilt caliper).
>
>If the cable itself is OK, sometimes it's possible to manually work
>the rear brake's external actuating lever back and forth (after
>disconnecting the cable-end) and apply a liberal amount of
>penetrating lubricant and grease to the pivot shaft. This can improve
>the return "action" but, IME, it is a very temporary fix (e.g., 6-12
>months)--if it works at all.
>
>Phil
>
>
>At 10:14 PM -0600 5/2/03, Steve Sherman wrote:
> >The parking brake in my 91 200 has been "loose" since I bought the car 3
> >months ago. Even with the lever pulled all the way up, it barely had
> >any braking effect. Since I had planned on replacing the rear pads and
> >rotors (were worn when I bought it) I had not given it much thought,
> >fgured the PB would be taken care of with the rear brake job.
> >
> >Well this week I gave up on having time and decent weather to do the
> >rear brakes, and took it in to a shop that I had not used before. They
> >did a decent job on the brakes, but did not adjust the PB. Said they
> >did not have time, and that they should self adjust or some other lame
> >excuse. Probably won't go back there again!
> >
> >Anyhow, I now am going to look into the PB myself. After reading the
> >Bentley, seems that there is an adjustment nut where the two pb cables
> >attach to the rod that goes to the pb lever. Tightening that should
> >take up the slack, taking care that the cams on the rear calipers still
> >opens all the way. (Doesn't seem like a big deal, wonder why the shop
> >did not do it).
> >
> >But I did notice that Bently said these cable should not need adjusting,
> >except on cable or caliper replacement, which did not happen (at least
> >by me). So should I be looking for something else? cable stretching
> >about to break? Any BTDT out there that know what causes the pb to come
> >out of adjustment?
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>Phil Rose
>Rochester, NY
>mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:22:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mark Martens
>Subject: How do I tell for sure what model I have
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>
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>I have just purchased a 1990 200QT and I need to know how to tell if it is
the 10V or 20V model for the purpose of purchasing parts.Thanks
>
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>Message: 5
>From: "Richard Tanimura"
>To: , , <200q20v at audifans.com>
>Subject: RE: What is this?
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:44:43 +0200
>
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>Scott,
>
>That is amazing. I just went out and it fits perfectly around the pump
>cutout.
>
>Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QSHIPQ at aol.com [mailto:QSHIPQ at aol.com]
> Sent: den 3 maj 2003 15:25
> To: knotnook at traverse.com; Richard at Tanimuras.com; 200q20v at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: What is this?
>
>
> From the looks of the pic, I would guess that to be the trim piece that
>sits on the back of the rear timing belt cover. Specifically I believe that
>piece actually surrounds the opening of the water pump in the back cover.
>I'm with the thinking that this has nothing to do with your oil leak. As a
>rule v "gaskets" are trim only, and are only for helping keep the elements
>out of a specific area on the engine and to prevent vibration noises.
>
> HTH
>
> Scott Justusson
> In a message dated 5/3/2003 8:03:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
>knotnook at traverse.com writes:
>
> At 11:14 AM 05/03/2003 +0200, Richard Tanimura wrote:
> >I found this broken gasket while changing my timing belt and v-belts on
>my
> >3B (I5 type motor)
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/rictan302/gasket.JPG
> >
> >It's 80 mm in diameter = 3 in. If you slice throught the gasket, it has a
> >"V" cross section. There are traces of caked oil on it. All I know is
>since
> >I discovered it, my car leaks oil.
> >
> >Where does it come from? Can it be the reason for my oil leak?
>
> Don't recognize the seal, but did the engine leak oil before you did the
> timing belt? If not, did you put a thread sealant on the longer bolts
>that
> hold the back cover onto the block? Failure to seal the threads on some
>of
> those bolts can lead to a leak.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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