200q20v Digest, Vol 28, Issue 26
Sullivan, Alan
alan.sullivan at lmco.com
Wed Feb 22 11:06:44 EST 2006
We're discussing it as we speak
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Today's Topics:
1. re: too cool temps in the winter (Kerry Griffith)
2. Re: Big Kudos to the Q-List (Kneale Brownson)
3. Re: too cool temps in the winter (Peter Schulz)
4. Re: too cool temps in the winter (Mike Del Tergo)
5. re: too cool temps in the winter (Phil Rose)
6. Re: Big Kudos to the Q-List (Phil Rose)
7. Re: too cool temps in the winter (Kerry Griffith)
8. Re: too cool temps in the winter (Kerry Griffith)
9. Re: too cool temps in the winter (Mike Miller)
10. instrument cluster (Andrew Schlueter)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:12:53 -0700
From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
Subject: re: too cool temps in the winter
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
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Brett,
Far be it from me to suggest NASCAR as the answer to your cool temp
problem. ;-)
My car has never shown much on the temp gauge during the winter unless
I'm being held up by them city-slicker tourists. And I believe there
have been those who have argued that as long as the oil temp is OK, the
coolant gauge isn't too important. I don't pretend to know.
But the fact that you have a heat problem indicates that all is not
well, as I've never had a heat problem other than the lovely recirc
flap.
I'm sorry to be unable to offer much more than a confirmation of the
problem, other than to tell you that my car has been well-maintained
(read: more $ thrown at the thing than at Iraq. I'm currently working up
the financial courage to have the dealer track down my loss of boost.
It'd down to 1.5-1.6 indicated from the 1.8 we know and love with the
uncorrected readout from the chip and em. And an exhaust hanger. And . .
.)
Hope the other listers who actually know how to fix these things give
you the info.
Best Regards,
Kerry
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:12:33 -0500
From: Kneale Brownson <kneale at coslink.net>
Subject: Re: Big Kudos to the Q-List
To: "Alex Kowalski" <hypereutectic1 at gmail.com>,quattro at audifans.com,
benswann at comcast.net,desmo888 at comcast.net
Cc: v8 at audifans.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
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Don't forget that if you really want to help keep this resource
available, you can make a contribution very easily. Visit the "about"
page on Audifans.com and click on a paypal button:
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At 04:59 PM 2/21/2006 -0500, Alex Kowalski wrote:
>I'd like to take a second and thank Ben Swann, Dave Kase, and the rest
>of the list for all the help in the past few weeks. I received Dave's
>recharged hydraulic pressure accumulator (The Bomb) and his workmanship
>is absolutely second to none. Yesterday I also received Ben's QLCC
>chips and wastegate springs and Ben not only did a fabulous and
>economical service for me, he packaged them in such a way that they
>were virtually indestructible during shipment. I can't wait to get the
>chips and the accumulator into this car. It's a real credit to the
>List that the cameraderie and the level of expertise and enthusiasm
>still exists for these cars, and that Ben and Dave, among many others,
>are still producing high-quality products of this kind at a very
>affordable price. Avi, you're next. ;)
>
>It's been said many times before, but it's still very true: the
>Quattro List is simply an incredible resource for Audi fans. Keeping
>these cars running well is a pleasure, and a great hobby, with folks
>like these around. I knew Dan was on to something when I discovered
>the List oh, so long ago... :)
>
>Cheers,
>Alex Kowalski
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:12:56 -0500
From: Peter Schulz <pcschulz at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
To: "Feelstranger" <feelstranger at hotmail.com>,<200q20v at audifans.com>
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Nat:
Cool running means that the engine isnt heating the coolant.
IE the thermostat is stuck OPEN not closed ( if it stuck closed, engine
would overheat)....
Blocking the radiator means that you will not be able to further cool
the coolant that the engine is not being given the opportunity to heat
(stock thermostat is supposed to stay closed until the coolant in the
block gets to 87 C), therefore what little heat is being transferred to
the coolant from the engine can now be retained until it gets to the
heater core, where a blower pushes air over the core and removes heat
from the coolant...
Make sense?
-Peter
At 09:24 AM 2/21/2006, Feelstranger wrote:
>I just replaced my thermostat due to cool running temps, and terrible
>gas mileage. Unfortunately, the gas mileage does not seem to have
>responded, like the running temp has.
>However, If the T-stat is functioning, doesn't it regulate temp by
>blocking coolant flow to the radiator? So, how exactly would blocking
>air flow to the radiator help?
>
>Nat
-Peter Schulz
Chelmsford Ma, USA
1991 200 20v Q Avant Titan Grey
1991 200 20v Q Avant Indigo Mica
1991 90 20v Q Red
1990 CQ silver (awaiting S2 engine transplant) 1990 CQ red ( to part or
not)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:35:00 +0000
From: "Mike Del Tergo" <mdeltergo at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
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By not allowing what little heat was generated to be excessively cooled
off by onrushing cold air. It is sold enough in the northeast that I
can leave my avant idling for an hour and the fan will not come on nor
will heat indicated get past 1/4 mark. In extreme if colant does not
get warm enough to open the tstat, it doesn't matter how well it might
work, you're gona be cold! Blocking the heat exchanger will help get
temps up!
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
I just replaced my thermostat due to cool running temps, and terrible
gas mileage. Unfortunately, the gas mileage does not seem to have
responded, like the running temp has.
However, If the T-stat is functioning, doesn't it regulate temp by
blocking coolant flow to the radiator? So, how exactly would blocking
air flow to the radiator help?
Nat
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:26:27 -0500
From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Subject: re: too cool temps in the winter
To: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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At 2:12 PM -0700 2/21/06, Kerry Griffith wrote:
> I'm currently working
>up the financial courage to have the dealer track down my loss of
>boost. It'd down to 1.5-1.6 indicated from the 1.8 we know and love
>with the uncorrected readout from the chip and em.
That would probably be a big mistake. They (dealers) tend to just throw
(your) money at the problem until you (not necessarily the
problem) goes away. Isn't there a good independent shop in your area?
Have you explored the usual suspects (e.g., pressure test for a loose
clamp or hose leak, defective wgfv, defective MFTS...)?
Phil
--
Phil Rose
Rochester, NY
mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:29:21 -0500
From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Big Kudos to the Q-List
To: Kneale Brownson <kneale at coslink.net>
Cc: v8 at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com, benswann at comcast.net,
desmo888 at comcast.net, Alex Kowalski <hypereutectic1 at gmail.com>,
200q20v at audifans.com
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At 5:12 PM -0500 2/21/06, Kneale Brownson wrote:
>Don't forget that if you really want to help keep this resource
>available, you can make a contribution very easily. Visit the "about"
>page on Audifans.com and click on a paypal button:
>http://www.audifans.com/about.php
Yes. I've advised (and done) that in the past. Just don't expect Dan S.
to take the trouble to acknowledge your contribution. :-(
Phil
--
Phil Rose
Rochester, NY
mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:41:50 -0700
From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
To: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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Thanks Phil. I do have a (fairly) good independent shop, but they seem
to lose patience and interest with certain things, such as small(ish)
pressure losses.
I've been told that there's actually someone good at the dealership
these days, and I've got to go in for the rear speakers, a.k.a. rear
fire danger, so I thought I'd give them a whirl for the the first time
in many years.
The MTFS is only months old, but I don't know about the WGFV. I'll
search the archives and Bentley on that, and I suppose I should find the
time to build a pressure tester and see if I can find it before paying
money I can ill afford.
Thanks for the very sound advice.
Best Regards,
Kerry
P.S. Even with the boost loss I had no problem out-accelerating my
neighbor in his E430 with an impromptu drag race (very short distance,
low top speed, safe location). Don't think the results would be similar
against a new E55, but that's academic since I've become a very
conservative driver in my dotage.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 03:26 PM, Phil Rose wrote:
> At 2:12 PM -0700 2/21/06, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>> I'm currently working
>> up the financial courage to have the dealer track down my loss of
>> boost. It'd down to 1.5-1.6 indicated from the 1.8 we know and love
>> with the uncorrected readout from the chip and em.
>
> That would probably be a big mistake. They (dealers) tend to just
> throw (your) money at the problem until you (not necessarily the
> problem) goes away. Isn't there a good independent shop in your area?
>
> Have you explored the usual suspects (e.g., pressure test for a loose
> clamp or hose leak, defective wgfv, defective MFTS...)?
>
> Phil
> --
>
> Phil Rose
> Rochester, NY
> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:21:50 -0700
From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
To: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr at blackfoot.net>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
Message-ID: <FB1D5A57-A349-11DA-A141-0050E4EE157E at xmission.com>
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Thanks again, Mike. You're a prince.
Kerry
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 07:20 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> From: "Kerry Griffith" <i2k at xmission.com>
>
>> I suppose I should find
>> the time to build a pressure tester and see if I can find it before
>> paying money I can ill afford.
>
> Here's a link to the one that I built years ago. I've been told to
> keep the pressure down below 20psi or so to avoid damaging the
> pressure transducer. I never had any problems though. Cost as I recall
> was about $8.
>
> http://www.blackfoot.net/~hlm5860/Tester.html
>
> mike
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:20:54 -0700
From: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr at blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: too cool temps in the winter
To: "Kerry Griffith" <i2k at xmission.com>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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From: "Kerry Griffith" <i2k at xmission.com>
>I suppose I should find
> the time to build a pressure tester and see if I can find it before
>paying money I can ill afford.
Here's a link to the one that I built years ago. I've been told to keep
the pressure down below 20psi or so to avoid damaging the pressure
transducer. I never had any problems though. Cost as I recall was about
$8.
http://www.blackfoot.net/~hlm5860/Tester.html
mike
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:48:42 -0500
From: "Andrew Schlueter" <andyschlueter at 4techwork.com>
Subject: instrument cluster
To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
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<8A6EC3EEFC179C41B961D8AEBC457284094509 at mail.4techwork.com>
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Has anyone replaced the 3 side gauges with aftermarket ones?
I am going to do this next week. i will remove the oil temp, oil
presure, voltmeter. I think the oil temp is kinda useless.
I will put in in place of of these gauges is a boost, oil pres., and
volt.I was thinking of puting an air/fuel meter in but decided to keep
the boost gauge inthe IC While the IC will be torn apart, i need to
replace the main board, has a few cracked leads. lights have been going
bonkers. I'll keep you posted on the progress.
Andy Schlueter
'91 200tq20v Avant
www.westmotorsports.biz
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