20V Timing Belt R&R

Mon Aug 20 23:00:53 EDT 2007

To clarify, I've done two 200 20Vs and three 200 10Vs.  They are basically
the same
in terms of the R&R procedures.  I didn't even think about removing the
bumper because
I've gotten used to doing a lot of timing belt changes on 4-cylinder FWD
Hondas and Nissans.
So, it was easy for me not to think about removing the bumper, etc.

Also, my 200s are all West coast cars and I never had to deal with rusted
nuts and bolts.
Frankly speaking, I am shocked to see the pictures of 5-cylinder engine with
rusted colors!

Besides, I never removed the 200 bumper before and I wasn't too sure how.
So,  if I do it again,
do I proceed with the bumper removal first?   Not sure, because I'm worried
about breaking
front end parts because I'm not good at removing body parts....you know.
Shin

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   1. Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R (Phil Rose)
   2. Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R (John S. Lagnese)
   3. RE: 20V Timing Belt R&R (Henry A Harper III)
   4. Re: re. rear suspension noise 200 20v Avant (Geraint Lloyd)
   5. RE: 20V Timing Belt R&R (Peter Schulz)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:31:31 -0400
From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R
To: "Shin Hoshikawa" <pl510er at comcast.net>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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At 3:52 PM -0700 8/18/07, Shin Hoshikawa wrote:
>John:
>
>You can replace the timing belt without removing a bumper or other front
end
>components.

You've done 5 t-belt jobs on '91 200 20V sedans??

Regardless of hand sizeI believe --for this particular job--  there's
quite a large gap between "can do without" and "ought to do without"
(i.e., removing bumper, etc). If one's previous experience has only
been with 10V engines, there could be an unpleasant a surprise in
regard to accessibility of the t-belt when attempting the job for a
'91 200 20V sedan.

Phil

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Phil Rose.....Rochester, NY USA
'06 A3q 3.2 V6 (5K, silver)
'91 200q	(156K, Lago blue)
'91 200q   (70K, Tornado red)
'89 100 (Bamboo gold)

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:33:47 -0400
From: "John S. Lagnese" <jlagnese at massed.net>
Subject: Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R
To: "Shin Hoshikawa" <pl510er at comcast.net>,	"Phil Rose"
	<pjrose at frontiernet.net>
Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
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I've done my 16V Scirocco and several 8V Vws.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Rose" <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
To: "Shin Hoshikawa" <pl510er at comcast.net>
Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R

> At 3:52 PM -0700 8/18/07, Shin Hoshikawa wrote:
>>John:
>>
>>You can replace the timing belt without removing a bumper or other front
>>end
>>components.
>
> You've done 5 t-belt jobs on '91 200 20V sedans??
>
> Regardless of hand sizeI believe --for this particular job--  there's
> quite a large gap between "can do without" and "ought to do without"
> (i.e., removing bumper, etc). If one's previous experience has only
> been with 10V engines, there could be an unpleasant a surprise in
> regard to accessibility of the t-belt when attempting the job for a
> '91 200 20V sedan.
>
> Phil
>
>
> --
>
> Phil Rose.....Rochester, NY USA
> '06 A3q 3.2 V6 (5K, silver)
> '91 200q (156K, Lago blue)
> '91 200q   (70K, Tornado red)
> '89 100 (Bamboo gold)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:54:41 -0600
From: "Henry A Harper III" <hah at alumni.rice.edu>
Subject: RE: 20V Timing Belt R&R
Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
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Having done t-belts on both my GTI 16v and my 200q20v, I can say there is
quite a lot different between them. The type 44 bumper does come off very
easily, then it's drop the aux rad and the intercooler crossover pipe (which
was the most uncooperative bit on mine), you can have at the v-belts and
take off the t-belt cover. Would not want to do it leaving that stuff on the
car. On the GTI, you basically take off the v-belts and then the plastic
t-belt cover is accessible - since it's a sidewinder, taking off the bumper
wouldn't really help much.

> I've done my 16V Scirocco and several 8V Vws.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Rose" <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> To: "Shin Hoshikawa" <pl510er at comcast.net>
> Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R
>
>
> > At 3:52 PM -0700 8/18/07, Shin Hoshikawa wrote:
> >>John:
> >>
> >>You can replace the timing belt without removing a bumper or
> other front
> >>end
> >>components.
> >
> > You've done 5 t-belt jobs on '91 200 20V sedans??
> >
> > Regardless of hand sizeI believe --for this particular job--  there's
> > quite a large gap between "can do without" and "ought to do without"
> > (i.e., removing bumper, etc). If one's previous experience has only
> > been with 10V engines, there could be an unpleasant a surprise in
> > regard to accessibility of the t-belt when attempting the job for a
> > '91 200 20V sedan.
> >
> > Phil
> >

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:21:10 -0400
From: Geraint Lloyd <geraintlloyd_qc at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: re. rear suspension noise 200 20v Avant
To: 200q20v at audifans.com
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Damn
posted to the wrong list again......

Geraint Lloyd wrote:
> i have a similar problem in the 10v avant that sounds like it's coming
> from under the back seat.
>
> only used to happen over sharp bumps, but is not getting better......
>
> i THINK that it is the the body to trapezoidal arm bushes.
> the fronts seem to have bits missing and the rears seem to have gone
> soft allowing the arm to shift forward a bit and the front bracket to
> clatter.
>
> the theory will be tested soon.
> i have ordered the arm bushes and will post part numbers if it works
> after fitting them some time this week
>
> wish me luck
> Geraint
>
> Ben Swann wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested to know what you find.  I have similar noise that came
up
>> after a few adjustments to my coilovers in the rear, but have not id'd
any XS
>> movement there or bad parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>
>> [Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:37:33 -0400
>>
>> From: riceballdr at aol.com
>>
>> Subject: rear suspension noise 200 20v Avant
>>
>> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi I have picked up a banging type noise in my rear suspension mostly on
the
>> drivers side over sharp bumps. I have jacked up the car a couple of times
an
>> pried on the bushings shock mounts, rear diff mounts wheel bearings and
>> brakes. Can not find movement or evidence of metal hitting metal. All
exhaust
>> checks good as well. Bouncing the car by pushing on the bumper when on
the
>> ground does not produce the sound and the shocks seem OK also no oil
leaks
>> around shock pistons. It is driving me nuts. The only thing else I
thought I
>> could do is put it on an alignment rack so I could get under it with
normal
>> weight on the suspension. Car has a 140,000 miles on it and is an Avant.
>> Thanks Richard]
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:00:07 -0400
From: Peter Schulz <pcschulz at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: 20V Timing Belt R&R
To: hah at alumni.rice.edu
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I totally agree Henry!

I think that the biggest issue in trying to do the TB on a 200q 20v
is that there is a high risk of damaging either the secondary
radiator when tightening and loosening the crank bolts, and the same
for the intercooler when removing the TB cover.

I've done the timing belt on these cars more than 5 times (probably
close to 9 if I add the similar 7A in the Coupe and 90q20v), and I
hate to admit that my first one was actually a three time affair due
to mis-guided shortcuts and just bad decisions (used the wrong puller
on the idler, ended up breaking the idler bolt BEHIND the oil pump...)

I've learned that there are no real shortcuts in the corrosive
environment where I live (New England)
-if you rush or take shortcuts, something strips or breaks and you
might have to do the whole thing over again.

Considering the time it takes to do the job and its critical nature,
its worth taking the extra time to do it once, do it right.

-Peter

At 08:54 PM 8/19/2007 -0600, Henry A Harper III wrote:

>Having done t-belts on both my GTI 16v and my 200q20v, I can say there is
>quite a lot different between them. The type 44 bumper does come off very
>easily, then it's drop the aux rad and the intercooler crossover pipe
(which
>was the most uncooperative bit on mine), you can have at the v-belts and
>take off the t-belt cover. Would not want to do it leaving that stuff on
the
>car. On the GTI, you basically take off the v-belts and then the plastic
>t-belt cover is accessible - since it's a sidewinder, taking off the bumper
>wouldn't really help much.
>
>
> > I've done my 16V Scirocco and several 8V Vws.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Rose" <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> > To: "Shin Hoshikawa" <pl510er at comcast.net>
> > Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: 20V Timing Belt R&R
> >
> >
> > > At 3:52 PM -0700 8/18/07, Shin Hoshikawa wrote:
> > >>John:
> > >>
> > >>You can replace the timing belt without removing a bumper or
> > other front
> > >>end
> > >>components.
> > >
> > > You've done 5 t-belt jobs on '91 200 20V sedans??
> > >
> > > Regardless of hand sizeI believe --for this particular job--  there's
> > > quite a large gap between "can do without" and "ought to do without"
> > > (i.e., removing bumper, etc). If one's previous experience has only
> > > been with 10V engines, there could be an unpleasant a surprise in
> > > regard to accessibility of the t-belt when attempting the job for a
> > > '91 200 20V sedan.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
>
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