re. rear suspension noise 200 20v Avant - GAME OVER

Sun Aug 26 09:39:23 EDT 2007

Just be sure not to tighten the center bolts until the vehicle is at  
SRH.

Bernie

On Aug 26, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Geraint Lloyd wrote:

> right then,
>
> I spent quite a lot of yesterday fighting with bushes.
> and my BANGEN KLUNKEN - HINTERN BUSHEN SHEIßE appears to have gone  
> away
> on one side ( more on that in a mo)
>
> The big rear arm bushes looked used but were mostly intact.
> the new one was a bit of a b at stard to fit though.........
>
> the 2 hub carrier to trapezoidal alarm bushes were similar. I think  
> that
> they were original so i changed them.
> I'm not sure if i really, really needed to change them that  
> instant, but
> i had replacements and the suspension was in bits........
>
> the front trapezoidal arm to body bushes were baked though.
> In the car they didn't look to bad (no movement with pry bar / bfh)  
> but
> as soon as i undid the rest of of the arm mountings, the front bracket
> started flapping about like a trout on a riverbank.
> bizarrely, this was the easiest to change. To do the other side  
> when the
> bushes arrive early next week (no sir i'm sure that you ordered 2 not
> four - oh that email.....).
>
> the good news is that it looks like i will be able to change the front
> arm bushes without taking the wheel off.
> I'll just jack the beast up a bit  and remove the bracket.
> the bushes themselves, or rather the outer metal sleeve of the bushes
> that was the only bit of the bush left attached to the bracket, pinged
> out with a single solid smack of small lump hammer and punch in vice.
> refitting was easy and involved a vice and some large impact sockets.
>
> the scoop for parts is ( per car)
>
> rear trapezoidal arm to body bush -(TWO)- 4D0 511 523 C
> Found in aftermarket parts shop
>
> Trapezoidal arm to hub carrier bush - (FOUR)- 443 505 171 F
> Dealer only and not cheap.
>
> And last but not least the front arm to body bushes:
> the bushes are in a bracket which changed at chassis number 44- 
> L-125 000
> before this the bracket is apparently not handed- afterwards, it is.
> i think that this is because the later bushes have a front and rear as
> opposed to being the same.
> i do not know if the new bushes will fit in the old bracket.
> the fact that there is a change implies to me that the early ones  
> were a
> bit weak.
>
> the early bracket is 443 511 329 B and my family album lists it as
> £196.62 (i assume that it comes with the bushes fitted)
> this bracket takes 2 bushes (four per car) that are 443 511 247 D  
> listed
> at £12.97
> at 2 dollars to the pound, no prizes for guessing what i bought.
>
> the late bracket is 4A0 511 329 A - left and 4A0 511 330 A - Right.  
> both
> are also listed at £196.62 which leads me to believe that it is the  
> same
> bit of metal as the early version, just with different rubber.
> this bracket uses one 4A0 511 247 B (two per car) at £19.08 and 4A0  
> 511
> 249 (described as "8 teeth")(two per car) at £17.86. I have no idea
> which is front and which is rear.
>
> hope that helps
>
> Geraint
>
> Geraint Lloyd wrote:
>> Damn
>> posted to the wrong list again......
>>
>> Geraint Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> i have a similar problem in the 10v avant that sounds like it's  
>>> coming
>>> from under the back seat.
>>>
>>> only used to happen over sharp bumps, but is not getting  
>>> better......
>>>
>>> i THINK that it is the the body to trapezoidal arm bushes.
>>> the fronts seem to have bits missing and the rears seem to have gone
>>> soft allowing the arm to shift forward a bit and the front  
>>> bracket to
>>> clatter.
>>>
>>> the theory will be tested soon.
>>> i have ordered the arm bushes and will post part numbers if it works
>>> after fitting them some time this week
>>>
>>> wish me luck
>>> Geraint
>>>
>>> Ben Swann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to know what you find.  I have similar noise  
>>>> that came up
>>>> after a few adjustments to my coilovers in the rear, but have  
>>>> not id'd any XS
>>>> movement there or bad parts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:37:33 -0400
>>>>
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>>>> Subject: rear suspension noise 200 20v Avant
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>>>> Hi I have picked up a banging type noise in my rear suspension  
>>>> mostly on the
>>>> drivers side over sharp bumps. I have jacked up the car a couple  
>>>> of times an
>>>> pried on the bushings shock mounts, rear diff mounts wheel  
>>>> bearings and
>>>> brakes. Can not find movement or evidence of metal hitting  
>>>> metal. All exhaust
>>>> checks good as well. Bouncing the car by pushing on the bumper  
>>>> when on the
>>>> ground does not produce the sound and the shocks seem OK also no  
>>>> oil leaks
>>>> around shock pistons. It is driving me nuts. The only thing else  
>>>> I thought I
>>>> could do is put it on an alignment rack so I could get under it  
>>>> with normal
>>>> weight on the suspension. Car has a 140,000 miles on it and is  
>>>> an Avant.
>>>> Thanks Richard]
>>>>
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