slotting the strut towers

[robert weinberg]

so, would you call the pic link a strut brace or a strut tower brace? if it's the latter, they look very similar. i guess one attaches to the towers and the other attaches to the strut itself?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anderoo/212680422/


--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: slotting the strut towers
> To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "200q20V mailing list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 11:42 AM
> NO! NO!  NO!
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:03 AM, robert weinberg wrote:
> 
> > trying to get my terminology right - but i think we
> are thinking of  
> > the same thing (or maybe not). is a strut brace a sway
> bar?
> >
> > Robby
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Bernie Benz
> <b.benz at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
> >> Subject: Re: slotting the strut towers
> >> To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: "200q20V mailing list"
> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> >> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 1:06 PM
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> Your terminology is all wrong! The strut tower is
> a
> >> integral part of
> >> the chassis. My car has four, L and R, F and R.
> >> There are two common types of upper suspension/
> chassis
> >> stiffeners.
> >> The strut brace and the tower brace, their titles
> being
> >> descriptive
> >> of their basic differences.
> >>
> >> The tower brace is a chassis reinforcement, tying
> the two
> >> towers
> >> together by some means, often just cosmetically.
> >> For any stiffening device to be effective it must
> be an
> >> order of
> >> magnitude stiffer than is the structure being
> stiffened.
> >>
> >> The strut brace is a suspension reinforcement,
> tending to
> >> equalize
> >> the top suspension‘s lateral cornering force
> between the
> >> two sides,
> >> thus reducing, halving this latteral force exerted
> on each
> >> chassis/
> >> tower side. Further, it can be used to preload the
> upper
> >> vibration
> >> isolation bushings (which now see only half of
> their design
> >> load and
> >> resulting defection), for further latteral
> stiffening and
> >> added
> >> positive camber.
> >>
> >> The design problem with adjustable camber plates
> is the
> >> necessity to
> >> move/ relocate the thrust bearing in order to move
> the
> >> strut rod any
> >> further out of concentricity with the spring than
> the stock
> >> camber
> >> adjustment allows.
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:04 PM, robert weinberg
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Bernie.
> >>>
> >>> it sounds like your strut tower is the real
> answer?
> >> teach me, does
> >>> the strut tower basically push the strut
> towers
> >> outward to fix the
> >>> negative camber? the sheet metal will flex
> that much?
> >>>
> >>> sounds like the be-all-end-all answer is
> adjustable
> >> camber plates,
> >>> but the 2bennett ones are like $595. i'll
> deal
> >> with some excess
> >>> tire wear and rotate the tires a lot for that,
> eh?
> >>>
> >>> are there any cheaper camber plates?
> >>>
> >>> Robby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Bernie Benz
> >> <b.benz at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Bernie Benz
> <b.benz at charter.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: slotting the strut towers
> >>>> To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> >>>> Cc: "200q20V mailing list"
> >> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> >>>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:35 AM
> >>>> Rob,
> >>>>
> >>>> To slot the 3 holes in the tower for the
> 8mm studs
> >> holding
> >>>> the strut
> >>>> top bearing plate one must drop the strut
> assembly
> >> lower in
> >>>> the tower
> >>>> for round file access. The strut
> assemblies need
> >> not be
> >>>> removed from
> >>>> the tower just dropped down for file
> access. One
> >> can only
> >>>> gain about
> >>>> ¼” or 5/16” by this slotting before
> the upper
> >> spring
> >>>> seat hits the
> >>>> tower side wall, but do move the strut
> until this
> >> contact
> >>>> occurs.
> >>>> This is not much of a positive camber
> addition,
> >> ¼” in
> >>>> about 24”, but
> >>>> every little bit helps and a very simple
> mod.
> >> Apply your
> >>>> trig tables.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bernie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:13 AM, robert
> weinberg
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> UPS finally found the koni/H&R
> combo i
> >> bought from
> >>>> chris at force5.
> >>>>> what an ordeal - lost in indiana.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> anyway, i'm going to drop the car
> off at
> >> my
> >>>> friend's shop this
> >>>>> sunday. does anybody have a decent
> write-up on
> >> the
> >>>> procedure to
> >>>>> slot the strut towers?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from my research, it seems if i did
> nothing,
> >> the
> >>>> H&R combo would
> >>>>> run about -1.5 degree camber even with
> the
> >> struts
> >>>> adjusted to the
> >>>>> max. not god awful, but -1 or less
> would be
> >> better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the 200q is not my daily driver, so
> when i do
> >> hop in
> >>>> the driver's
> >>>>> seat, it will be for something fun,
> like
> >> carving up
> >>>> highway 1 ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> see ya,
> >>>>> Robby
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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