[s-cars] potential euro sport spring group buy / [200 20v List] favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?

[mike claire]

Jamu:  I googled on one of your part numbers (4A0 411 105R) and found an old
Audifans post referencing Audi microfiche data via Ned Ritchie.

He says the 4A0 411 105R spring is the second of 3 springs they built S6's
with.  Those would be Rancho springs, right?

Some spring rates are listed too.

Cross posting to 200Q20V, since they're talking about springs and spring
rates too.





Set the wayback machine to 1999:

RE: Blau S4/S6 rear struts
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   - *To*: <quattro at coimbra.ans.net>
   - *Subject*: RE: Blau S4/S6 rear struts
   - *From*: "James A. Desveaux" <desveaux at ucla.edu>
   - *Date*: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:53:54 -0800
   - *Sender*: owner-quattro at coimbra.ans.net

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It's good to know definitely that the rear height of the TQW doesn't change
when those S4/S6 springs are installed.

A couple of additional points on spring rate differences.

1. The '91 20v uses stiffer springs, but certainly no stiffer than what went
on the S4 or S6s.  According to the folks at H&R (I checked on this a few
months ago), the standard rear spring rate for the '91 200Q (non-wagon) is
145ppi.  For the S4 and S6, it's 225-230ppi.  Frankly, I'm skeptical about
the accuracy of this.

2. According to Ned Ritchie, who kindly emailed me info on this when I put
'92 S4 struts on the front of my '91 200QW, there are differences in spring
rates between '92 and '96.  Basically, they went from what Audi called a
'sports' spring in '92 and early '93, up to VIN # WAUHP54APN019849, and
these springs (either front or rear) had 3 blue and 1 yellow stripe.  Part #
4A0 411 105J
Then, after complaints of too harsh a ride from S4 owners, they softened the
spring rate a bit and went to one with 2 blue and 1 yellow stripe and that
Part # is 4A0 411 105H.

Then, for the last S4s and early S6s, they went to a spring with silver and
violet stripes, Part # 4A0 411 105Q, then 4A0 411 105R, and finally 4A0 411
105S.

Ned got this from some fiche he had.  The dealers apparently do NOT have
this info, and to them, it's one size fits all.  So if you order springs for
these cars, there's only one type you'll get (unless one of these other part
#s is still available).

I called Blau to ask which springs they used, and they said they'd get back
to me, but they didn't.  I guess that since I already committed to the
harsher springs (they're fine), I figured I should match them with what the
factory produced for those cars.

- Jim






On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:41 AM, James Murray <james.murray at ericsson.com>
wrote:

> From Audi-doodi-World...
>
> sedan sport springs are:
>
> front: 4A0 411 105 R = AAN manual gearbox, A/C = S6 Plus, 1 silver 2
> violet
> rear: 4A5 511 115 AG = AAN = 92-spec = S6 Plus, 1 yellow, 3 blue
>
> Avant sport springs:
>
> front: 4A0 411 105 R = AAN manual gearbox, A/C = S6 Plus, 1 silver 2
> violet
> rear: 4A9 511 115 AK = AAN = S6 Plus, 1 silver 2 violet
>
> http://forums.audiworld.com/s4s6/msgs/215608.phtml
>
> /Jamu.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mtgadbois at aol.com [mailto:mtgadbois at aol.com]
> Sent: July 10, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: James Murray; mike.claire at gmail.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] potential euro sport spring group buy.
>
> As I recall and I did look this up when I received mine several years
> ago, the paint codes on the euro springs and the 92 springs are the
> same.
>
> Mark near Chicago
>
>
>
> Prior messages:
>
> See Alex's site:  http://www.euro-audi-parts.com/ but no p/n's listed.
> The closest option of finding used would be 92 springs, fairly close in
> spring rate, same height.
>
> /Jamu.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of mike claire
> Sent: July 9, 2008 12:34 PM
> To: Mtgadbois at aol.com; s-car-list
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] potential euro sport spring group buy.
>
> That's great news.  The metal on metal camber plates are 50% of what I
> don't like about the current setup.
>
> Are we talking about the springs that were OE in the Euro-spec V8 C4 S4?
> Are there other cars that used the same springs?
>
>
> Anybody got p/n's?
>
>
> I want to know my chances of finding them used before considering the
> GB.
> This ain't gonna be cheap.  Maybe I should just take out the camber
> plates and buy more tires.
>
> Mike
>