favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?

[Ed Kellock]

What is the ride quality like?

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.benz at charter.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:53 PM
> To: Ed Kellock
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> Subject: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?
> 
> 
> Ed,
> I'm not a fan of Konis. This experience goes back to late 
> '70s Lancia  
> Betas when I was rebuilding both OEM and Konis strut inserts. Both  
> had removeable heads back then. The OEM was the much better built  
> shock. I would add paper shims behind the plastic piston rings and  
> replace the head shaft bushing (the major leakage point causing  
> damping failure) and refill with ATF. Originally, IMO, Koni 
> went with  
> their rebound adjustment to extend the short life of their marginal  
> design.
> 
> Anyway, I bought the 200's Konis used. Fronts had sealed heads so  
> tightened down on the rebound damping two notches. Rears had  
> removable heads so I rebuilt them. If buying new for stock springs,  
> I'd go with Boge in spite of the Koni lifetime warranty.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ed Kellock wrote:
> 
> > Stock springs and Konis?  This is something I am contemplating x 2
> > cars.  I
> > would very much like to hear your description/opinion of how you  
> > like this
> > combination.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: 200q20v-bounces at audifans.com 
> >> [mailto:200q20v-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Benz
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:10 PM
> >> To: Richard Harris
> >> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?
> >>
> >>
> >> Can't help you, Rich.
> >> My 200 20V with 225K is a rock solid, comfortable cruiser 
> with stock 
> >> suspension, Konis and a strut brace. Tires last for ever and 
> >> alignment never changes, set at -0.5 deg. front camber, zero rear, 
> >> and zero toe F and R. I am not a proponent of 2B, inasmuch 
> as Son's 
> >> experience indicates that they know nothing of suspension dynamics.
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >>
> >> On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Richard Harris wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bernie,
> >>>
> >>> I've got a 200 20v running new Bilstein Sports and H&R 
> 29800s that 
> >>> will primarily be a track car. I am unhappy with the BS/H&R
> >> combo. Got any
> >>> suggestions? Are you aware of any spring/shock or coil over
> >> options
> >>> besides
> >>> 2B?
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: 200q20v-bounces at audifans.com 
> >>> [mailto:200q20v-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bernie Benz
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:22 PM
> >>> To: Ed Kellock
> >>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is but one optimum, "critical" damping for a specific
> >> combo of
> >>> spring rate and unsprung weight! Bilstein's marketing
> >> strategy is to
> >>> over damp all stock applications, so the dumb customer can
> >> feel a big
> >>> difference and thus feel good about his poor application and thin 
> >>> wallet. Obviously, I don't like Bs.
> >>>
> >>> Konis can easily be and often are also adjusted to an over damped 
> >>> condition (read 2B). Damping has little to do with ride quality, 
> >>> Spring rate controls ride quality. Damping controls the
> >> suspension's
> >>> response to dynamic bump inputs, the timing for shortest, optimum 
> >>> return to SRH.
> >>>
> >>> Bernie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Ed Kellock wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> snip<
> >>>
> >>>> I really don't like the HDs.  They are not compliant enough over 
> >>>> minor road irregularities and the ride is jiggly and
> >> harsh.  Based on
> >>>> prior discussion,
> >>>> I believe I am clearly in the minority in this area however.
> >>>
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