Fw: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?

Fri Jul 11 11:53:01 PDT 2008

Rob:

understand that there is no difference in the strut insert aka shocks 
for these cars ( G60 brake or UFO brake)
. - alot of folks will talk about "struts" and they mean the strut & 
wheel housing, not the "shock" - ditto for the springs.

The UFO is a big, heavy honking rotor, but Audi squeezed the rotor 
for a 16 inch rim under a 15 inch wheel, a pretty cool engineering 
accomplishment.   It's going to cost you more to purchase and swap 
the strut/wheel housings from a G60 equipped car ( probably a V8) to 
your car than two replace the UFOs (even at about $250 per rotor) .

Short of going to a big brake set up ( which means the cost of the 
G60 struts, bigger rotors and calipers, new brake lines, you are 
going to be going to a SMALLER brake when you convert to a G60.

If you get brake shimmy, you either have a cementite build up on your 
rotor, which is a layer of metal typically over rust that is actually 
harder than the rest of the rotor - this can be scraped off with a 
carbide scraper or file, or the rotor can be turned.  If your rotors 
are clean and you still get shimmy, then the inner lower control arm 
bushing is worn ...

Not sure what he means about bolt spacing - the hubs are all 5 x 112- 
you just need a certain about of wheel dish to clear the UFO rotor, 
not al 35mm offset rims will fit as a result.

-Peter

At 11:31 AM 7/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey Peter,
>
>please read patrick's response below. if they are the same struts, 
>then what's he talking about?
>
>thanks,
>Robby
>
>
>--- On Fri, 7/11/08, patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net 
><patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > From: patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net <patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?
> > To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 10:30 AM
> > Glad you got the suspension taken care of. I know the car
> > has some big brakes but I'm not sure they're for
> > UFO struts. That'll be your big problem on the
> > brakes....all the kits out there are designed for the G60
> > struts and the narrow bolt spacing. I had to have a custom
> > bracket to make a setup for my car as it is UFO as well.
> > I'm just running the 911 non turbo calipers. I may
> > upgrade to full on 911Turbo calipers (big reds). But
> > I'll build up my spare set of G60 struts if I do that
> > and sell off my UFO stuff if I can. I just don't have
> > the money to do all that right now.
> >
> > If/when you look at chip sets from Intended Acceleration
> > you can ask him about the subframe bushing you mentioned in
> > one of your posts. I don't know anybody besides him that
> > makes them and I'm not sure he even lists them on his
> > site. I have some in my car and like them. They do add some
> > harshness though.
> >
> > I think I have a phone in my set of seats stored out at my
> > parents place. I'll double check this afternoon and let
> > you know if it is still there.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: robert weinberg <centaurus3200 at yahoo.com>
> >
> > > Hi Patrick,
> > >
> > > i just bought a set of used good condition
> > Koni/H&R reds from force5.
> > >
> > > definitely talk to the guy though - does he have other
> > mods? intake, downpipe,
> > > exhaust, chip, samco hoses, K&N panel filter, euro
> > lights, etc?
> > >
> > > i'm also looking for the following:
> > >
> > > - front upper and lower stainless(?) trim piece that
> > goes around the grill. i
> > > have the lower - but i'm sure i'll screw it up
> > at some point ;-)
> > > - the front and rear cigarette lighters
> > > - the crappy analog phone for the armrest - just for
> > kitsch value - but must at
> > > least light up ;-)
> > > - the plastic (or is it rubber) trim around the rear
> > quarter windows - mine's
> > > cracked.
> > >
> > > that's all i can think of for now ;-)
> > >
> > > see ya,
> > > Robby
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: patrick.anderson1 at comcast.net
> > > > Subject: Re: favorite - strut/shock/spring combo?
> >
> > > > To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 4:12 PM
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > How serious are you about buying used parts? I
> > happen to
> > > > know a guy with 2 of our cars and he wants to
> > part out one
> > > > of them. But...he needs a swift kick in the butt
> > to
> > > > motivate him since he is always busy w/ other
> > projects.
> > > > I'm pretty sure the one he is parting has an
> > > > aftermarket suspension. I'm dropping by his
> > house this
> > > > afternoon for some beers and will ask him what is
> > on there
> > > > right now.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I view the H&R/Koni as perfectly
> > acceptable for
> > > > the road. A sensitive wife will think it is too
> > harsh. But
> > > > a 20 something kid will think it is soft. I never
> > really
> > > > had any issues w/ speed bumps until I took off
> > teh stock
> > > > exhaust and had a 3" installed. It obviously
> > hangs a
> > > > little lower than the stock one. So now I have to
> > be
> > > > careful over bumps. If ride height is the issue,
> > use the V8
> > > > or S4 springs. They're stiffer and will
> > actually keep
> > > > the car at a pretty stock ride height.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: robert weinberg
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, that's what i've been
> > learning. dangit -
> > > > no cheap solutions it seems apart
> > > > > from buying used mods from a totaled 200q20v
> > - not
> > > > very likely:-(
> > > > >
> > > > > oh well, i'll hopefully forget about the
> > outlay of
> > > > cash once i hit the first
> > > > > corner ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > sounds like koni/H&R is the way to go.
> > my
> > > > friend/mechanic will do the install.
> > > > > not for free, but cheaper than most shops.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robby
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Taka Mizutani wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Taka Mizutani
> > > > > > Subject: Re: favorite -
> > strut/shock/spring combo?
> > > >
> > > > > > To: centaurus3200 at yahoo.com
> > > > > > Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 7:26 AM
> > > > > > Be careful with springs intended for a
> > C4 chassis
> > > > S4 if
> > > > > > you're using them on
> > > > > > a type 44.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The C4 is heavier and the spring rates
> > will end
> > > > up being
> > > > > > higher than ideal-
> > > > > > you might end up not lowering the car
> > at all or
> > > > possibly
> > > > > > raising the ride
> > > > > > height.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bilstein HD are overdamped for stock
> > springs- if
> > > > you're
> > > > > > running custom
> > > > > > springs that are stock ride height and
> > higher
> > > > rate, they
> > > > > > would be perfect.
> > > > > > My preference is for Bilstein Sport and
> > Eibach
> > > > Pro-Kit
> > > > > > springs for
> > > > > > ride/handling compromise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Taka
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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-Peter Schulz
Chelmsford Ma, USA
http://www.naaclub.org/

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