any experience with this kit?

Bernie Benz b.benz at charter.net
Wed Sep 15 09:13:11 PDT 2010 

Static Ride Height.


On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Adam Gratz wrote:

> SRH? What is that?
>
> I describe "perfect damping loosely". The process of finding that
> setting to achieve what you describe is a nice idea. Of course, there
> is no meter on the Koni damping adjustment to quantify such a value,
> even if I had values for the spring rate and for the unsprung weight.
> So, I drive, adjust, drive, adjust. When I feel the rebound on a
> decent dip (no shortage of those here) at 45 mph or so, I shoot to
> just barely eliminate rebound overshoot. As I know from my doctoring
> job, physics and mechanics are 50 science and 50% art. Also, critical
> damping is theory. Even If I had the variables to determine and set
> such a value, and temp and elevation were constant (I can drive from
> the beach to the snowy top of Mauna Kea in under an hour) who is to
> say It would give the best ride for my combination of potholes, mud,
> sand and molten lava.
>
>
> doc-
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>  
> wrote:
>> There is but one optimum rebound damping for a given spring rate and
>> unsprung weight combination, called Critical Damping, defined as that
>> damping which will return the suspension to the SRH at zero velocity,
>> without overshoot, in the shortest possible time. Totally  
>> unrelated to your
>> “Perfect Damping“ criteria.
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Adam Gratz wrote:
>>
>>> Perfect is whatever you happen to like, but I find it to be the
>>> process of matching your spring rate to your dampening rate. That's
>>> why I like the external screw adjust Konis. I've run 5 different  
>>> sets,
>>> one on the Avant, one on a I5 synchro wagon (great car) and 3 on
>>> various Bimmers and not had a failure, but they were always the  
>>> sport
>>> valving. Perhaps the other models tire quickly. I've sent old pairs
>>> pulled from customer cars back for free replacement, a great  
>>> benefit,
>>> and I do love feel of the non-gas charged damping. Yes, I've cleaned
>>> and repacked strut tops, and lost a few bearings in the gravel.  
>>> Guess
>>> it's a cost vs hassle thing. I bought the 2Bennett coil over kit  
>>> about
>>> 6 years ago, overpriced but completely changed everything about the
>>> car. I now run 2" lifted for these crummy roads and it still handles
>>> 200% better than stock.
>>>
>>> doc-
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well Doc, apparently we agree, at least in part. That the kit is  
>>>> a waste
>>>> of
>>>> money.
>>>> Disagreeing on your mandatory replacement of the strut top thrust
>>>> bearing,
>>>> it being totally rebuildable by cleaning and relube.
>>>> IMO, Konis are overpriced and of short life. Even when properly  
>>>> adjusted,
>>>> quickly wearing to become under damped in short order. What the  
>>>> hell is a
>>>> perfect ride adjustment? SOP, I guess!
>>>>
>>>> Bernie
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Adam Gratz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, BlauParts has a really great handle on the 200
>>>>> specifics. I have had many perfect experiences with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I HIGHLY recommend you replace the struts with Koni externally
>>>>> adjustable. Are your lower ball joints still good? Tie rod ends?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, the only other items you need are the strut top
>>>>> bearings, which are sure to be wasted at this point. You can  
>>>>> skip all
>>>>> the other kit stuff. An after-market set of polyurathane front  
>>>>> sway
>>>>> bar bushings make a huge difference as well.  
>>>>> www.energysuspension.com.
>>>>> Coil over kits from 2bennett or GroudControl are really amazing  
>>>>> and
>>>>> really expensive. They 200 stock springs are pretty aggressive  
>>>>> as is,
>>>>> and with the Konis, you can dial them in to a perfect ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the Koni's, top bearings and sway bar bushing if you are on a
>>>>> budget. You'll be happy and they last forever. Just don't set  
>>>>> them to
>>>>> full stiff, that's not a true setting point.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2c,
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc-
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:07:40 -0400
>>>>>> From: "feelstranger" <feelstranger at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: any experience with this kit?
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>>>>>> Folks, any experience or thoughts on this suspension kit from
>>>>>> Blauparts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MGR1013-B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nat
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>>> From: rbade12 at aol.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: any experience with this kit?
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>>>>>>  No experience with the kit, but, I did try to purchase  
>>>>>> suspension
>>>>>> goodies from them previously and they didn't seem to  
>>>>>> understand the
>>>>>> difference between a 20v an 10v parts, most are  
>>>>>> interchangeable some,
>>>>>> ex.
>>>>>> upper strut bearing, are not. So, just make sure they get it, it
>>>>>> appears
>>>>>> they do based on the written description, but.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: feelstranger <feelstranger at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: 200q20v <200q20v at audifans.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 2:11 pm
>>>>>> Subject: any experience with this kit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks, any experience or thoughts on this suspension kit from
>>>>>> Blauparts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MGR1013-B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nat
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>>>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:08:47 -0700
>>>>>> From: Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: any experience with this kit?
>>>>>> To: feelstranger <feelstranger at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
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>>>>>> I would not buy a kit, inasmuch as many parts will be  
>>>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>>> Buy individually those parts needing replacement. The thrust  
>>>>>> bearings
>>>>>> are rebuildable. What?s the story on your shocks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 12:07 PM, feelstranger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks, any experience or thoughts on this suspension kit from
>>>>>>> Blauparts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MGR1013-B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nat
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