On 6/20/06, thejimrose <thejimrose at gmail.com> wrote: > 150hp in a 3300lb car is way subpar. my poor a4 cant get out of its own way. > my brothers stock civic KILLS me. You are selecting the wrong surface/weather conditions. Wait for mid-winter and a snowy road. Then see how slow the Civic is. Peter 2001 1.8tq