[ba] Re: [s-cars] 80tq: 20v Project Update, 415whp, 12.25, etc

[robert weinberg]

why don't you believe the HP number?

javad, the engine is the 20 valve UR 5 cylinder,
right? that thing has a lot more potential.

you'd be surprised the HP numbers modded cars can put
out. i've seen a 520 wheel HP TAURUS!

see ya,
Robby

--- JShadzi at aol.com wrote:

> Philip, where I dyno, elevation is zero, and temp is
> usually between 75 and 85 degrees (the reference is
> 77 degrees F), so the correction figures for my
> conditions are usually nill.
> 
> And it wasn't "a zillion HP" (is that really a
> number Phillip...COMON NOW!!  I  think you're
> pulling my leg??!!  ;) , though a million HP is my
> real target, working on it!
> 
> Javad
> 
> >You're certainly entitled to believe any set of
> numbers you wish.  The
> >Society of Automotive Engineers just needed a way
> to make the data from one
> >engine comparable to another.  When engineers
> create things we have to know
> >how we're really doing, so all the numbers need to
> relate to a level playing
> >field.  The original "Tuner Community" was a bunch
> of smart people trying to
> >win WWII - they couldn't kid themselves.
> >
> >I applaud your efforts to mod your car, and I'm
> sure you're making a fun
> >amount of power.  If it's important for you to
> believe your engine is making
> >a zillion horsepower you have that right.  But for
> me if the number ain't
> >corrected, it's wrong.
> >
> >P
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <JShadzi at aol.com>
> >To: <Djdawson2 at aol.com>; <brett at cloud9.net>;
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>;
> ><quattro at audifans.com>; <urq at audifans.com>;
> <ba-group at audifans.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: [s-cars] 80tq: 20v Project Update,
> 415whp, 12.25, etc
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hey Dave,
> >>
> >> I just wanted to clarify (and speak for myself),
> that I didn't post here
> >to
> >> attack anyone or call anyone into question - I
> just wanted to share some
> >> excitement with other Audi-turbo-heads about my
> project, that's all!   =)
> >(really
> >> big, bad-tone defying smile)
> >>
> >> In my original post, I stated that I was quoting
> an "uncorrected  figure".
> >> I'm of the opinion that SAE correction figures
> for turbocharged  motors
> >are not
> >> valid, nothing personal against you, I'm not the
> only one in  the "tuning
> >> community" that feels this way, and I've taken
> the advice of
> >tuners/engineers
> >> with much more experience and understanding of
> this topic than  I do.  Do
> >a
> >> little research, you'll quickly find I'm not the
> only one  saying this.
> >>
> >> I also have to admit that I know very little
> about your project or its
> >> results - care to share your experiences? I'm
> sure you have plenty with
> >the  S-car
> >> list in the past, but I'd love to hear about it,
> sounds like you've got a
> >> project with a lot of passion and energy invested
> into it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Javad
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/11/2004 8:03:41 PM Pacific
> Standard Time, Djdawson2
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> Sorry, but you need to go back  to school.  If
> the air is being forced in
> >or
> >> not, the conditions, if not  standardized, do
> have an impact.  They may
> >have a
> >> different impact (as a  percentage), but to say
> they don't apply to turbo
> >> engines is absolutely and  unquestionably
> inaccurate.  Does your car run
> >the same
> >> on a 100 degree  day as a 30 degree day?  Of
> course not.  That means that
> >> some sort  of correction is REQUIRED to normalize
> the tests.  Otherwise,
> >we can
> >> just  wait for that 20 degree day, test the car
> "uncorrected," and claim
> >> victory  because Brett said that temp, pressure,
> and humidity don't matter
> >to turbo
> >> cars.
> >>
> >> I  can appreciate your list of typical dyno
> tricks, but we're not quite
> >that
> >> stupid.  There are a few of us here, interested
> in taking a scientific
> >> approach to engine tuning.  The "cheating"
> concepts that you've spoken of
> >don't
> >> pertain to my concept of scientific, and an
> exaggerated number doesn't
> >provide
> >> me any benefit.  If you had looked at my latest
> graph, you'd see  72 F,
> >24.4
> >> in Hg, and 7% humidity... all very reasonable, no
>  tampering.
> >>
> >> Seems like some of you think there is a
> conspiracy theory  WRT dyno
> >testing
> >> by us Denver folks.  Well, there isn't a
> conspiracy,  more likely an
> >interest
> >> in finding what correction is reasonable... and
> one is  required.  Anyone
> >> claiming that there is no difference between
>  uncorrected power at
> >altitude vs.
> >> uncorrected at sea level just because  there's a
> turbo involved, needs to
> >revisit
> >> their textbooks.
> >>
> >> To satisfy  my curiosity, I'll go to a sea level
> dyno and see just exactly
> >> what the  difference is... but I'm going to guess
> someone will still "cry
> >foul."
> >>
> >> BTW, I'm not interested in confrontational
> speculation, just  real
> >results.
> >> So don't take my comments personally.  However,
> don't  just throw "stuff"
> >out
> >> there as fact, that simply isn't fact.  The
>  conditions surrounding the
> >test
> >> ALWAYS have an impact, and to claim that they
>  don't, is ignorant.
> >>
> >> Remember, I'm in this for the fun... so let's
> have  fun, damn it!
> >> Dave in OH, today
> >>
> >>
> >>
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