[BiturboS4] Rumor(s) Behind The New S4

Philip Pace pjpace at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 26 14:44:51 EDT 2002 

The only definitive way that I know if is if you have an M vs. an H box: M is
newer (2001.5). To tell, you have to take apart the ECU. PLEASE DON'T e-mail me
privately, as I'm sure others have the same questions or can more effectively
address the issues. You have to hit reply all to do this.

Back to the question. My deduction is this: the ECU was changed for the .5 and
the only way to tell that is to look at the ECU. I think the change was made
around February, 2001. Not 100% on that, but anything a few months later
definitely is a 2001.5 and anything built in '00 is definitely a 2001.0.
-Phil
P.S. Hit reply all, PLEASE

--- California Fields <cfields72 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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<P>Phil, how do I tell if I have a 2001 or a 2001.5 build S4? Is there a
certain date after which it's considered a 2001.5?</P>
<P>Thanks,
Carter.<BR><BR>------------------------------</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Carter Fields - San Francisco</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>'01 santorin blue</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>stock (not for long!)</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Philip Pace <PJPACE at YAHOO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: daniel chisholm <DBC112 at YAHOO.COM>,
jysap at cs.com,Walter J Green Jr <VR6PILOT at HOTMAIL.COM>,
biturbos4 at audifans.com
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [BiturboS4] Rumor(s) Behind The New
S4
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Per Carter's post, the turbos WERE doomed from
the beginning, as far as I can
<DIV></DIV>>tell. There are almost NO stories of failed
turbos from 2001.5 on (when they
<DIV></DIV>>increased the oil line size). Prior to that,
there were many. I think Audi
<DIV></DIV>>realized this and made the fix, but a small
mistake like that can cost the
<DIV></DIV>>company millions.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Per jy's comment, the engine can more than
adequately handle the turbo
<DIV></DIV>>pressure, it's just the turbos themselves that
are being destroyed. In
<DIV></DIV>>reference to Walter's comment, consider the RS4,
which has a ton more pressure
<DIV></DIV>>(and engine stress). How many blown ENGINES has
anyone heard of? None here.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I'm careful with my car (10-15 minute warm up
before I spool, cool down period,
<DIV></DIV>>don't run the car without a load on the engine)
and I have very little concern
<DIV></DIV>>about turbo failure, due to lack of blown turbos
as of late. That said, I will
<DIV></DIV>>be VERY gun shy about buying a first run car in
the future; it took Audi 1.5
<DIV></DIV>>years to figure out the problem and implement
changes in manufacturing to
<DIV></DIV>>remedy it.
<DIV></DIV>>philpace
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>--- daniel chisholm
<dbc112 at yahoo.com> wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>> --
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multipart/alternative ]
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> You cant go wrong with the RS4 turbo
upgrade...... Go for it!
<DIV></DIV>>> jysap at cs.com wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>> Hi Walter,
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> I don't want to start a flame but what
are u trying to say with the
<DIV></DIV>>following
<DIV></DIV>>> statement?
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> >As we all knew, many of the
blown turbos were on chipped cars (though
<DIV></DIV>>some
<DIV></DIV>>> weren't). Big bummer, me says.
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> That those who chip their cars should?
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> A: upgrade their turbos as well, or
<DIV></DIV>>> B: run their chipped cars at lower
boost levels, or
<DIV></DIV>>> C: not chip their cars at all (that
takes the fun out of things for me)
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> I run no higher than 12-13 psi of boost
on my chipped Porsche 951 (944
<DIV></DIV>>Turbo)
<DIV></DIV>>> and that seems to be fine (according to
the Porsche gurus on the Net)
<DIV></DIV>>because
<DIV></DIV>>> the stress on stock components is not
as great as it would be at higher
<DIV></DIV>>> levels (15+ psi).
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> Since my 951 has only been chipped for
the last 8 months (with ltd use
<DIV></DIV>>> because the S4 is my daily driver), one
could make the arguement that it's
<DIV></DIV>>> only a matter of time that the higher
boost will adversely affect my (BIG)
<DIV></DIV>>4
<DIV></DIV>>> cyl Porsche engine. Please note that I
had 120k mi on my 951 before
<DIV></DIV>>chipping
<DIV></DIV>>> the car (I am the 2nd owner - car had
80k mi when I purchased it 1996)and
<DIV></DIV>>it
<DIV></DIV>>> still has the original stock turbo from
1986. I will keep my finger
<DIV></DIV>>crossed.
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> BTW, I still plan on chipping my S4
after I hit 50k mi (currently @ 45k
<DIV></DIV>>mi)
<DIV></DIV>>> mark for obvious warranty reasons. If I
need to upgrade the turbos (on the
<DIV></DIV>>> S4)for reliabilty, I will consider
that.
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> jy
<DIV></DIV>>>
<DIV></DIV>>> "Walter J Green Jr" wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>> >>I recently bought out
the lease on my 00 S4, and now I am glad
<DIV></DIV>>that I did.
<DIV></DIV>>> >>The biturbo S4 will
soon become a limited production run
<DIV></DIV>>(2000-2002) and
<DIV></DIV>>> >>its value should remain
the same or possibly increase due to
<DIV></DIV>>limited
<DIV></DIV>>> >>inventory
<DIV></DIV>>> >>Just wanted to pass
this tidbit along.
<DIV></DIV>>> >>
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >agreed on the rarity and value
assesment.
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >it was long rumoured on AW that
the 2.7 bi-T was being phased out due
<DIV></DIV>>to
<DIV></DIV>>> >excessive warranty claims in
the US for hosed turbos.
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >As we all knew, many of the
blown turbos were on chipped cars (though
<DIV></DIV>>some
<DIV></DIV>>> >weren't). Big bummer, me says.
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >alotta fraud was going on, with
owners swapping back stock ECUs before
<DIV></DIV>>going
<DIV></DIV>>> >in with chip induced break
downs and problems. not cool, IMO.
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >we reaped what we sowed. :(
<DIV></DIV>>> >
<DIV></DIV>>> >__________
<DIV></DIV>>> >WJG
<DIV></DIV>>> >'01 S4
<DIV></DIV>>
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