[Es2] No radiator fan= wtf?

Fri Oct 15 15:47:42 EDT 2004

When the engine is up to temp, does the top rad hose get hot? If so, your
t-stat works. It also sounds like you have the wiring hooked up properly. My
guess is, there's still a bunch of air in the system. I bled and bled mine
repeatedly until I was sure all the air was out. I couldn't fit a drop more
of coolant in there, yet I had the same scenario that you have. I ended up
taking the car in to a mechanic who then hooked up a pump to the system.
Believe it or not, I was down two litres of coolant! Once it was properly
bled, there were no problems.

Ben

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <livinotte at cox.net>
To: <Es2 at audifans.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Es2] No radiator fan= wtf?

> Hi ben
>
> There is one wire that connects to the afterun relay via the engine
compartment to the driver side harness.
>
> http://www.urs4.com/logbook/RS2CQ/wiring/103_0331m.JPG
>
> It's on that black connector.   Basically when the after run system turns
on the relay in the engine harness J155. If I remember right. Sends a signal
to the after run relay which triggers the fan.  The interesting this is that
on the 7a cars it's triggered via a ground line.  On the 20vT it's triggered
via a power feed.  I didn't know this at first and I have a funny feeling I
killed the two relays I have for the afterun system.
>
> Thats not the problem thought.  Honest I am not worried about the after
run system. With the car in the garage and idling for a while the fan should
go on at 90 degree celcius.  Basically the thermostat opens at 87 degrees
and the fan turns on at 90 degrees.  Either the thermostat is not working
properly or the fan setup is not working properly however I tested the fan
setup by grounding positions three and 1 and 2 and 1 and the fan turns on. I
also removed the sensor and heated it up and it also worked.
>
> Either there is still air in my system or my thermostat shit it self on
me.   I am going to replace the thermostat when I install the new fan.  Then
take it from there.
>
> Off topic.
>
> Are any of you guys familar with how a clutch setup works on a boxster(mid
engine) or 911(rear engine)? Basically I am wondering how it engages when
you push the pedal down.
>
> Thanks
> Josh
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Ben Klumper <bklumper at mdbworld.com>
> > Date: 2004/10/15 Fri AM 10:56:59 EDT
> > To: livinotte at cox.net,  Es2 at audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: [Es2] No radiator fan= wtf?
> >
> > Hey Josh,
> >
> > Do you have your notes on how you wired the 3b cooling sensors (turbo
after
> > run, mfts, etc) into the coupe? There might be something that was
> > overlooked.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <livinotte at cox.net>
> > To: <Es2 at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [Es2] No radiator fan= wtf?
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone
> > >
> > > I bleed the system again.  I am finally getting heat out of the heater
> > core.  Thats the good news.  I didn't run it for long enough to be
> > completely satified that everything is in check but it did hold it's
temp on
> > the coolant gauge and the turbo did not smoke. I am catching a cold and
I
> > could handle the fever and being in the garage. So I figured I leave it
at
> > that and hopefully tomorrow I will feel better enough to spend more time
> > with the coupe. Once again the fan didn't turn on at 90 degrees celcius.
> > Which has me wondering about stuff. Tomorrow should be the first time I
use
> > vagscope if I finally can get the router to work properly with my
sister's
> > labtop.  I will attempt to save the log and try to post it.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you guys read up on S2 forums alot you will notice they mention
Castrol
> > Rs 10w 60 all the time.  I couldn't find it in the states and I now
found
> > it. It's now called Tws motorsport.  You can get it from the
> > > Bmw stealerships:
> > >
> > > Castrol TWS Motorsport 83 12 0 029 683 1-litre canister
> > > Castrol TWS Motorsport 83 12 0 029 684 60-litre canister
> > >
> > > I am currently using mobil 15w60 and it's a heck of alot better than
any
> > other oil I have used so far. I am hoping the Castrol is even better.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > P.S. the place finally shipped out my battery box.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Peter Schulz <pcschulz at comcast.net>
> > > > Date: 2004/10/13 Wed AM 10:41:57 EDT
> > > > To: <livinotte at cox.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Es2] No radiator fan= wtf?
> > > >
> > > > Josh:
> > > >
> > > > Follow what Mike recommended and wiggle the fan harness to ensure
that
> > you
> > > > dont have an intermittent connection at the fan.
> > > >
> > > > I did the write up on 20v.org for the fix...
> > > > and PLEASE put a fuse on the fan ground lead ala the 200 q20v
> > > >
> > > > -Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 01:50 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
> > > > >Hey guys.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am having problems with getting the fan to turn on.  I diagnosed
it
> > to
> > > > >this very simple problem.  The thermoswitch in the radiator works.
I
> > > > >actually heated it up with it connected but not in the radiator and
it
> > > > >turned the fan on.  I ran the car and it gets to 90c and nothing
> > happens.
> > > > >My hi 1 speed fan is shot so I have it wired to Hi 2.  If I press
...
> > ( i
> > > > >forgot which button but on the climate control the fan goes on).
> > > > >
> > > > >Here's my hyopothesis on the problem.  I think the thermostat is
stuck
> > or
> > > > >broken.Ibelieve it's not opening at all. I believe this is why I
had
> > some
> > > > >smoke from the turbo. I ran the motor a couple times but now I make
> > sure
> > > > >the TCP pump goes on and I run the coolant system backwards to go
> > around
> > > > >the thermostat.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Is it possible to remove the theromostat without taking the water
pump
> > > > >off?  Seems like it's possible. I have to replace the fan and pull
the
> > > > >radiator so I figured I am going to replace the thermostat too.
> > > > >
> > > > >I have never seen directions on pulling the thermostat.  Easy
enough?
> > > > >
> > > > >Updates:
> > > > >
> > > > >I called the place that I ordered the battery box and complained
and
> > they
> > > > >said they would ship it out today. Sapposely it had to be built and
> > then
> > > > >be sprayed.
> > > > >
> > > > >The coupe that I bought has a new fan in it. So I can going to pull
it
> > and
> > > > >put it in the "es2" project.  Ironically this 214,000 thousand mile
> > coupe
> > > > >has more money put into the "new factory exhaust system" than what
I
> > paid
> > > > >for the whole car.  I find that to be funny.  I took the paper work
on
> > the
> > > > >car with me home, even thought I haven't picked it up yet.  I have
to
> > > > >trailer it home because it's got too many typical coupe quattro
> > > > >issuses.  Funny I sold the crank breather setup to chris and this
car's
> > > > >breather is completely collaped.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't remember but I am hoping the rear tie rods are in nice
shape.
> > If
> > > > >they are I am going to pull them off and put them on the "es2"
project
> > > > >which means once I figure out the fan issuse I can finally take it
for
> > a
> > > > >test drive.
> > > > >
> > > > >It's  a bit of a struggle as usual. But one not many people get to
> > enjoy
> > > > >like I do.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers
> > > > >josh
> > > > >
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