[Es2] Audi 20v conversion

Matt twentyV matt_20v at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 3 07:42:39 PST 2008 

mine goes through what appears to be an existing hole on the passenger side.  It dresses fairly nicely in the passenger footwell to the ECU which is just mounted to the underside of the console below the glovebox.  I can probably snap a picture this evening if you're interested.

-Matt

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Chris Miller <c1j1miller at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Miller <c1j1miller at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Es2] Audi 20v conversion
> To: es2 at audifans.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:29 PM
> On a related note; where's the best place to cut a hole
> in the firewall for
> the 200 harness to fit the coupe q?
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: es2-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:es2-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
> Of Jack Walker
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: 'Ben Swann'; flamingollama at yahoo.com;
> es2 at audifans.com
> Cc: McCohens at aol.com; 20v at audifans.com;
> quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [Es2] Audi 20v conversion
> 
> So convert from a 10VT to a 20VT, sounds pretty simple
> doesn't it?
> 
> Well I'm into my 4th year of finding parts that
> don't really make it, the
> total of the parts that do, that cost more than the donor
> motor, finding
> that if you really don't have fabrication skills.... 
> Although I'm going to say if you're really up for
> it, a totaled 91 200/20V
> TQ with a low mileage 3B motor, and it would be whole hell
> of a lot easier.
> I got the same advice, but neglected to follow it.
> 
> Jack Walker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: es2-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:es2-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf
> Of Ben Swann
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:28 PM
> To: flamingollama at yahoo.com; es2 at audifans.com
> Cc: McCohens at aol.com; 20v at audifans.com;
> quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: [Es2] Audi 20v conversion
> 
> Ditto on this!  I don't know how anyone can suggest a
> turbo conversion,
> 10Vor 20 V being
> easy and I suppose that is relative.  It is one thing to
> install a larger
> displacement
> engine or higher compression with some fueling and ignition
> adjustments.
> Totally
> different when you need to re-engineer intercooler location
> and turbo
> induction.  I
> presently have my '90 Coupe Quattro dismantled awaiting
> such conversion.
> Yes the
> conversion is made a bit longer process by my objective to
> do it clean and
> correct, but
> the dashboard had to be removed and much of the interior
> yanked just to do
> the "trivial"
> wire harness swap. 
> 
> Integrating electronics "properly" will take
> likely at least 3 complete
> days.  The large
> mechanicals(engine, trans, clutch) are a straightforward 1
> man-week by
> someone who knows
> what they are doing and has all the correct parts in hand. 
> On e a
> performance build,
> one almost always ends up tearing down the donor, but not
> necessarily. Even
> minor
> cleanup items, such as manifolds, fittings and gaskets take
> days.  The turbo
> and exhaust
> portion can add significant time.   My "ES-2"
> conversion is further
> compounded with the
> Ersatz nature and desire to install a 6-speed transmission
> and all that
> entails, but if
> I were only doing a "straight-forwared" swap from
> 7A to 3B or AAN, we are
> talking no
> less than a complete man-month from start to finish by one
> who knows what
> they are
> doing, with proper tools and some help.
> 
> Do not take these projects lightly!  Someday I'll
> document my now mostly
> completed Ur
> Quattro conversion  - 10 valve turbo into 10 valve turbo
> with EFI
> conversion.  This
> alone took my over a year to complete, although that was
> not all just
> working on the
> car, and much was ironing out bugs that ensued after the
> job was
> "completed".  That was
> Phase I and II.  Now it begins again with need to replace
> the turbo - sounds
> easy 'till
> you try it.
> 
> Feel free to take a gander at some conversion outlined on
> my site - these
> are ones I
> completed and documented years ago and will be playing
> catch up to document
> the last 2
> or 3 I've been working on. http:// www.gtquattro.com
> many updates
> forthcoming this
> month.
> 
> Ben
> 
> [Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:44:40 EST
> From: McCohens at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Audi 20v 
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <c8e.2e4aa8bf.3661a428 at aol.com>
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> 
> 
> As someone with a 10VT in their 80 and former 20V owner I
> can say unless you
> 
> intend to track the car a 20VT is overkill.  I would also
> suggest you 
> seriously evaluate your mechanical skills or bank account. 
> The  turbo swap
> is by no 
> means a bolt in proposition.  Lots out there have done it
> and may say it is 
> easy.  If so, ask them how much they would charge for doing
> the swap on your
> 
> car.  Getting the engine in is probably the easiest  thing.
>  Installing a
> CIS 
> and intercooler, decent exhaust system is much  tougher. 
> Aftermarket EFI is
> a 
> great choice, but nothing out there is a  bolt in system. 
> Lots of little 
> surprises and chances to screw up.
>  
> That said, the 10VT with low teens boost is pretty
> reliable, gets mid 20's  
> MPG and is an absolute giggle to drive.  It will humble
> many cars and is
> one 
> of the best all time sleepers.  My 20V was plenty fast, but
> the turbo  10V
> has 
> better power that starts at lower revs and pulls harder.  
>  
> Feel free to contact me off list for more details.  If you
> live near  Bucks 
> County PA stop by for a test drive  too.]
> 
> [Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Walker <flamingollama at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Audi 20v
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Message-ID:
> <969924.32708.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> 
> I am looking to possibly upgrade my 1989 Audi 80 Quattro
> 10v to a 20v.
> Either that or
> rebuild my 10v. What is a good way to get a hold of a used
> 20v. I also want
> to upgrade
> with a turbo, which engine is better for that?]
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