Speaking of donuts..... http://www.nordicaudi.com/na/media/filmer/filmer/dbr-00/medium/dbr8_m.mpg and Sprogle's version: http://www.nordicaudi.com/na/media/filmer/filmer/rally/000726/donut.mov aren't too bad either.... ;-) Later, -Nate <snip> > I also have a question, the urQ doing the donuts in the snow </snip>