The discussion about the merits of tip or stick boxes well I've got both in my early 70's triumph 2500pi.Yes 4 speed with electric overdrive in 3rd and 4th,such a joy to drive and way better than a 5 speed for highway cruising,hills,overtaking etc.30 years old too! It makes me wonder why they don't make them today, a tiptronic manual please. -- Sam Clarkson