Fwd: RE: NAC Presidents was/ Re: Longer Lug Bolts?

[Ameer Antar]

Well the Federalists were only one side of the coin. In fact Federalist 
papers were hotly contested in their times. Federalists believed in a 
strong central government and wanted a strict interpretation of the 
Constitution, but others felt the states needed to have more powers.  The 
constitution itself is really just a compromise between these two 
sides...state vs. federal. Before the United States, there was a 
Confederation. Many states had their own currency and the government had 
little control over interstate commerce [ie. the power to tax this 
commerce], which led to a weak central government and a impoverished one at 
that. The US Constitution fixed all that, but it's pretty pointless in that 
regard today. Not many states want out of the Union, although you never 
know about South Carolina...

The electoral college was a fall-back feature, in case the public elections 
had problems. But the main reason was to emphasize the power of the states 
by having officials from each state actually reporting the votes. 
Regardless, I believe it's a silly system for these times, b/c the popular 
vote doesn't necessarily get carried out. But the only time this is an 
issue is in a very tight race, which is rare, and it would be a waste of 
time to change it.

Actually it is historically correct that many of the people involved in 
government were slave-owning white men. Many were not slave owners, but all 
were white men. That's just the way it was!! Why should we expect anything 
different? That was just the last bit of tribal nature [culture] Americans 
had in them. Women were not thought fit to be in government, w/ there 
cycles and all. I don't think we should deny our past, in fact we lose by 
forgetting how it was. I don't think we should see it as something wrong, 
but part of us and part of an ongoing development of human society. Some 
liberals [and conservatives] may think they've figured out how the world 
should be, but who's to say a 100 yrs from now that those ideals wouldn't 
be called questionable. Everything is a matter of perspective, and to think 
we have it all figured out is ludicrous. For every circumstance there may 
be a better solution.

Sometimes we forget about our own historical past and pass judgement on 
other societies. Today many 'backwards' societies still believe women are 
not on the same level as men. These societies aren't backwards, it's just 
how hundred's of cultures have interpreted the 'mystery' of women in their 
own time period. Just b/c the West [or 'modern thought'] sees differently 
doesn't mean everyone else should live to its standards. That's their 
culture and to force them to give it up will only cause a backlash and 
resentment of the West, a feeling common in non-Western societies. Let 'em 
figure it out on their own, you don't just snatch something away from 
someone b/c you feel it's not right ANYMORE...

Culture is simply based on faith, not religion, but faith in a country, a 
way of doing something, a myth, or whatever. Basically I think culture is 
based on something that is not scientifically there. It's a belief that 
black cats are bad omens or that a person must be cremated. This is all 
culture and it's all a belief that could scientifically be ruled out. We 
see a lack of culture here in the US b/c we have so many different 
backgrounds and do not feel united w/ everyone living around us. In other 
countries, people can usually feel united w/ their countrymen, b/c they 
have so much in common. We also see less culture here b/c we are very 
advanced technologically and we've already disproven many elements of our 
culture, there is much less superstition. Go to some other countries and 
you'll find rich to poor people all w/ quite a bit of superstition. These 
are all the inevitable things...it's just what happens when there are so 
many of us on this planet and when we become so knowledgeable about the 
world's mysteries...It's not bad, it's just the way things are. When you 
eat the fruit of knowledge, there's no turning back....

WOW, rant done....just my opinions here.

-ameer

At 04:19 PM 11/15/2000 , you wrote:
>"Chris Dyer" <chrisdyer at hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Actually our forefathers wanted white, slave & land owning males in
> > office,
> > and didn't think the masses should be allowed to vote (hence, the
> > electoral
> > college.)  But that's another story.
>
>So this is the product of a liberal education.  You've been
>indoctrinated, get your little red book before you leave.  Find out for
>yourself what they wanted, read the Federalist papers, and the other
>documents readily available, no interpretation necessary, they spelled it
>all out.  Yeah, it's right there in the first lines of the Constitution
>"We the land owning gentry in order to enslave a subservient population",
>oh wait, that's the PC version.
>
>BCNU,
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