Fw: Audi Ur-Q vs. Mustang 308

[Rave Racer 2000]

----- Original Message -----
From: Rave Racer 2000 <Ravewar at home.com>
To: Buchholz, Steven <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Audi Ur-Q vs. Mustang 308


> Although the WRC wins are probably the most well known AUDI events, I
didn't
> mean to imply that this was the sole usefullness of the quattro system.  I
> was simply refering to the opinion (and that is all it is, an opinion)
that
> the AWD systems that AUDI builds are put to better use in road course
> applications.  I actually did intend to include the IMSA and SCCA events
> because it was the deciding factor in which AUDI I wanted (87 4000S
Quattro)
> the small picture that can be seen on the website
> http://www.audi.com/motorsport/e/start.html the small picture on the left
in
> the historical sub directory.  The fact is that the Quattro system is only
> one of the cars greatest assets.  A well balanced, stiff frame, and wide
> stance also help make the car very well mannered, eventhough the older
> Quattro's are quite outdated, techwise, by the new Subarus, and Eagle
> talons.  For example, the new WRX Subaru which last year held the WRC is
now
> this year being nipped in the heals by a very experienced, well mastered,
> lower power 84 4000Q, (for those of you who watch Speedvision)
> What I am trying to say is the Quattro's benefits do not come from
> acceleration, but handling/torque, making it well suited for touring/rally
> races, but not for drag.
>         I also own a 89 Jetta GTX 1.8 16V.  It has two burnt piston rings,
a
> blown PVC valve, a 86TDI tranny after 5 holes in the OE, exhaust from
> Frankenstein, a paintcan to trap oil being blown out of the block into the
> airfilter, and a recently replaced Fuel distributor from a 2.0 GTI, after
> having to open the Mass airflow plate in the airbox with a string fed
> through the Pass window that I had to pull to open the fuel lines at the
> same rate as the gas pedal.  It requires 1L of oil per tank of gas, and
> puffs smoke between every shift.  Treehuggers everywhere are gunning for
me.
> I put away a 95 T-bird supercoupe.  That's a Supercharged 3.8 V6.
>       With a little MacGyvering any car can be a supercar.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Buchholz, Steven <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
> To: qlist <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Audi Ur-Q vs. Mustang 308
>
>
> > AFAIK this was a posting to audifans ... not audiworld.  AFAIK David's
car
> > is a fairly stock '85 urquattro.  Believe what you will, but I know I've
> had
> > a very similar experience with my stock '83 urquattro.  I can't explain
> why
> > it is the case ... I drove a 5 liter 5-speed back in '86 before I found
> the
> > urq that I bought ... they certainly feel quick.  OTOH I can also
recount
> a
> > tale where I was embarassed by a VW ur-beetle (I didn't know we were
> racing
> > at first, but I was still unable to overtake him).  Now, with the new
> turbo
> > and Schrappnell Knobben adding a couple PSI I doubt I'd have a problem
...
> > ;-)
> >
> > ... to respond to the comment about toasting clutches ... I can't speak
to
> > David's case, but in mine it was a stock launch ... and if nothing else,
> the
> > turbo lag actually helps ... the Mustang had me a little off the line
> (here
> > again, I didn't know we were racing! :)
> >
> > ... to respond to the comment about the quattro being made for off road
> ...
> > I think Audi's experience in SCCA Trans Am, IMSA GTO and various touring
> car
> > championships speaks to the contrary ... granted that the traction AWD
> > provides often is more of a hindrance in a quick jump off the line, but
> once
> > the engine comes on cam you can probably put more power to the ground
...
> >
> > Steve Buchholz
> > San Jose, CA (USA)
> > >
> > > Because, for the most part, Audiworld is pure fantasy and stacking the
> > deck.
> > > Read most of the comments and note that everyone can dust ANY car so
> long
> > as
> > > they can do modifications.
> > >
> > > "I can toast a Ferrari GTO just by replacing both turbos, replacing
the
> > > camshafts, chipping, new exhaust, etc, etc, yadda, yadda."
> > >
> > > They all talk about what they CAN do with the right modifications.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree w/ Dennis- in drag racing, there is no way that a stock UrQ
> will
> > > > beat a worked Mustang 302, if the drivers are of equal skill.
> > > > I always wonder why a lot of people over at Audiworld drag race
their
> > > > cars. I could buy a Buick GN for less than 1/2 what they're paying
for
> > > > their cars and crush them at the drag strip all day long.  Audis are
> not
> > > > made for drag racing and it takes a lot of $$$ to make them do well
at
> > > > the drag strip. OTOH, Mustangs, GNs, Camaros, Firebirds and Vettes
are
> > > > all quite good at the drag strip and much cheaper, w/ the exception
of
> > > > the Vette.
> > > >
> > > > This is maybe the 4th or 5th post I've seen about outrunning 5.0
> > Mustangs with URQ's.
> > > > At first I just let it go, since my URQ wasn't set up right, I had
no
> > frame
> > > > of reference.
> > > > Well, I finally got mine running quite well (I think it's as good as
a
> > stock
> > > > URQ will run), and have the original Road & Track road test. R&T
> > reported a
> > > > 0-60 time for the '83 URQ of 8.2 seconds. That is a little slower
than
> I
> > > > think they run, but it's close. Most stock 5.0 Mustangs will turn
low
> > 7's.
> > > > Built 302 stangs will get into the 6's quite easily. Make no
mistake,
> I
> > am
> > > > _not_ a dorf fan, and I _don't_ dispute your claim in any way, but I
> > know the
> > > > decent condition Mustangs around here would seriously blow me off
the
> > line.
> > > > Thirty and up might be closer, but to 30 it wouldn't even be close.
> > > > I have a 330HP LT4 that will handle the dorfs, but they run closer
the
> > Vette
> > > > then to the URQ.
> > > > Am I missing something here. If my stock URQ will run 0-60 in the
high
> > 6s to
> > > > low 7s, I want to know how to do it!
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