In a message dated 00-09-19 23:23:00 EDT, you write: << Hmm, Tell that to my insurance agent. They charge me more for the 855 T-5R than they do for the S4. >> Couple of years ago, they had an ipd 850 T5-R wagon that out accelerated a Lamborghini Diablo in the midrange. It was featured in European Car. Later! Carter J Kwattro at aol.com