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John Naitove
naitove at bellatlantic.net
Thu Dec 13 16:13:50 EST 2001
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> 1. RE:[LAC] VWs with AWD? (TM)
> 2. VW Passat V6 4 Motion (ttiholov)
> 3. RE:VWs with AWD? (Lee M. Levitt)
> 4. tires on a 100cs (ttiholov)
> 5. Passat 4motion (ttiholov)
> 6. Re:Plug Wires - 200Q MC2 (l.leung at juno.com)
> 7. A4 quattro (ttiholov)
> 8. Carbon Wheels (Bob)
> 9. Engine Mt replacement- realign engine? (Robert Deis)
> 10. Re:Re: MAC14 codes (l.leung at juno.com)
> 11. Re:Best All-Season on Snow? (Zsolt)
> 12. Re:Quattro IV ...??? (Andrew Duane USG)
> 13. 4motion (ttiholov)
> 14. Re:Best All-Season on Snow? (Bryan Rodgers)
> 15. Re:VWs with AWD? (Brad Wilson)
> 16. quick question: equivilent Porsche list? (Bryan Rodgers)
> 17. Re:VWs with AWD? (Ti Kan)
> 18. Re:A4 quattro (Ti Kan)
> 19. Re:Trickle Down Technology (Ti Kan)
> 20. Re:Carbon Wheels (Mark Reis)
> 21. Re:Quattro IV ...??? (Ti Kan)
> 22. RE:Quattro IV ...??? (Lundy, Andrew)
> 23. newbie has 85 4KQ no start problem---help (Matt Brickell)
>
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> Message: 1
> From: "TM" <t44tq at mindspring.com>
> To: "'Kent McLean'" <kentmclean at mindspring.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: [LAC] VWs with AWD?
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:27:05 -0500
>
> I hope that's a prediction that doesn't come true-
> I won't buy an Audi w/ CVT.
>
> I'm waiting for a sequential-shift gearbox, ala BMW SMG
> or Magneti-Marelli (Ferrari F1 and Alfa Selecspeed).
>
> Taka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Kent McLean
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:44 AM
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [LAC] VWs with AWD?
>
>
> Rave Racer wrote:
>> I'm not possitive of when, but the GLX Jetta is rumored to be in
>> line for 4motion around 2003 / 2004. I'm waiting for that before my
>> next car. I'm also not sure if 5 spd will be available with the
>> 4motion.
>
> I think the new CVT transmission is to be available
> with the quattro in that time frame. Given the public's
> distate of manual transmissions, you may find the CVT is
> the only option available then... Of course, it would
> have to trickle down. :-)
>
> Kent McLean,
> playing Nostradamus
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:55:19 -0800
> Subject: VW Passat V6 4 Motion
> From: "ttiholov" <ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> on 12/12/2001 21:3 quattro-admin at audifans.com wrote:
>
>> The Michelin MXV Energy's suck
>
> Not so bad on a Beetle
>
>> The car weighs a ton
>
> Actually quite a bit more ;-), that's why
>
>> 190 HP is merely adequate.
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: "Lee M. Levitt" <lee at wheelman.com>
> To: "TM" <t44tq at mindspring.com>, "'Lee M. Levitt'" <lee at wheelman.com>,
> <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: VWs with AWD?
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:34:56 -0500
>
>
>
> Taka (and others) write:
>
>>
>> No, the Passat 4Motion is _exactly_ the same as quattro IV-
>> you're thinking of the A4 platform cars- Audi TT, Golf 4Motion,
>> Beetle RSi, etc.
>
> Sorry, I stand corrected.
>
> Lee
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:01:33 -0800
> Subject: tires on a 100cs
> From: "ttiholov" <ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> on Wed Dec 12 21:35:56 2001 ASTHAMMER at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I went up to 205/55/15 V rated.
> <snip>
>> my car now tends to follow the grooves in the road
>
> Typical for lower profile tires. You should see 205/50X15 or even 205/45X16
> - they have a following alright ;-) Check your pressure - that's about it.
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:06:15 -0800
> Subject: Passat 4motion
> From: "ttiholov" <ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> on 12/12/2001 21:37 quattro-admin at audifans.com wrote:
>
>> to get 4Motion as VW calls it, you have to buy the top-o-the-line GLX
>
> cheaper GLS 4motion is now available in Canada, still only automatic though
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> From: l.leung at juno.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:06:18 GMT
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Plug Wires - 200Q MC2
>
> Any experience with Rapid Parts Blue Ignitor wires?
>
> Or should I just go with Bosch?
>
> LL - NY
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:07:44 -0800
> Subject: A4 quattro
> From: "ttiholov" <ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> on 12/12/2001 21:37 quattro-admin at audifans.com wrote:
>
>> same system as the "old" A4
>
> What is the difference between the old and the new A4 systems?
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:07:45 -0800
> From: Bob <mx at snet.net>
> To: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Carbon Wheels
>
> Anyone know how much and where??
>
>
http://216.234.235.111/ubb605/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=001
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:56:50 -0600 (CST)
> From: Robert Deis <rdeis at io.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Engine Mt replacement- realign engine?
>
>
> Maybe this is easy, but it sure *sounds* scary...
>
> I'm in the middle of a front-end rebuild, and everything is proceeding
> nicely according to the instructions on SJM's site and Bently (finally got
> one!).
>
> The subframe is out now, and I'm getting ready to do the engine mounts.
> Am I correct is thinking that removing the engine mounts would drop the
> motor on my head? The rear of the tranny is supported by a jackstand-
> what's a good place to put a jackstand to support the engine?
>
> Also: Since the rear tranny mounts are out, does remiving the engine
> mounts mean I should realign the engine? Bently says that this isn't
> necessary unless you pull both the motor and transmission out, but if all
> four mounts are off.....
>
>
> Tx, by the way, for the double-screwdriver trick on the e-brake cables.
> They're loose now. I may end up having to loosen the adjuster nut to put
> things back together, but managed to avoid it so far. Kudos also to TPC
> and Blau for quick shipment and good service on these parts. Strano's is
> trying to be helpful, and is much cheaper, but they're running into
> shipping delays.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rob Deis "Let the people know beforehand what the law
> MiB3347 is and what they are to expect."
> rdeis at io.com -- 18th Congress, Rec. 75
>
>
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>
> Message: 10
> From: l.leung at juno.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:33 GMT
> To: quattro at isham-research.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re:Re: MAC14 codes
>
> Thanks (I think) Phil. Going to get in touch with SJM. It's chipped (got from
> Stott) so, it's probably FUBAR.
>
> LL - NY
>
> P.S. - anyone with a spare MAC14 I can use just to test the rest of the car?
> will be returned.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:09:01 -0700
> From: Zsolt <zed123 at telusplanet.net>
> To: "Lee M. Levitt" <lee at wheelman.com>
> CC: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Best All-Season on Snow?
>
> If all your driving is on snow and ice in the winter the Blizzak is
> your best choice. I had them on one of my 5k tq. Most of the time
> however, the roads are dry or maybe wet in the winter (around here
> anyway), and there is no point having them.
>
> Now I am driving on the Nokian Hakka NRW, and they suit that perfectly.
> They also grip very well in snow.
>
> Zsolt
>
> Lee M. Levitt wrote:
>
>> "Michael L. Riebs" <michael at 1stchoicegranite.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>> A few years ago I read somewhere that the Quattro system
>>> specifically, along with the Blizzak tires would give you the absolute
>>>
>> best performing winter
>>
>>> vehicle anywhere on the planet - by a large margin!
>>>
>>> Definitely not intended for much pavement use, though. Way to soft a
>>> compound.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That soft compound performs very well when the tires are new...such as
>> during a tire comparison...but once you've worn that first layer off, you've
>> got a standard all season tire that won't hold a candle to a Nokia NRW.
>>
>> Lee
>> '95.5 S6 avant (w/Nokia NRWs)
>> '96 A6 quattro avant (w/Nokia NRWs)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: Andrew Duane USG <duane at hunch.zk3.dec.com>
> Subject: Re: Quattro IV ...???
> To: michael at 1stchoicegranite.com (Michael L. Riebs)
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:04:58 -0500 (EST)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com (Quattro List)
> Reply-To: duane at zk3.dec.com
>
> Hairy green toads from Mars made Michael L. Riebs say:
>
>> Anyway, I have a specific question, which has puzzled me ever since we
>> got our first "later model" Quattro, my wife's A6 Avant:
>>
>> When she turns a sharp corner - slowly - something feels like it's rubbing
>> or grinding. That never happened on my 1St V* and is not happening on my
>> current V8 - both '90s. It almost feels like an American 4WD system, say on
>> an Explorer, when you have the 4WD on, on dry pavement - but not quite as
>> dramatic. What's up with that? Is something wrong? Should I worry? Should I
>> have it checked? Or is that just how they now feel under those maneuvers?
>
> My '95 A6Q Avant did this too. I believe it is just "how they work"
> from that generation.
>
> Neither of my '89/'90 Q's did it, nor does my '00 A6Q.
>
> --
>
> Andrew L. Duane (JOT-7) duane at zk3.dec.com
> Compaq Computer Corporation (603)-884-1294
> 110 Spit Brook Road
> M/S ZKO3-3/U14
> Nashua, NH 03062-2698
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:29:42 -0800
> From: "ttiholov" <ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: 4motion
>
> on 13/12/2001 6:34 quattro-admin at audifans.com wrote:
>
>> not sure if 5 spd will be available with the 4motion. I guess they
>> had to do develpment for the 4motion with the VR6 because they've never been
>> put together
>
> What of Audi TT? - Both 5 and 6-speed manual, 1.8T, 4motion - the whole bit
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: Bryan Rodgers <brodgers at omdc.on.ca>
> To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re:Best All-Season on Snow?
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:29:53 -0500
>
> NRW
>
> (imho)
>
> B
> 1986 4000s
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:33:13 -0700
> From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy at pobox.com>
> To: Audi Quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: VWs with AWD?
>
> Lee M. Levitt wrote:
>
>> Have you driven an AWD Passat yet? I test drove a wagon recently, and kept
>> checking to see if the handbrake was on. The thing was dogslow *and* rather
>> unimpressive inside.
>
> I, too, test-drove a wagon, and I too was completely unimpressed performance
> wise. I did think the interior was good, though; not Audi quality, but hey,
> the 2.8 Passat wagon AWD is a heck of a lot cheaper than the 2.8 A4 wagon.
> :)
>
>> Also, btw, it uses the Haldex system, which is rather different (FWD biased)
>> than the quattro system.
>
> The Passat shares the platform with the A4, and as such, does not use
> Haldex. The Jetta in AWD would use Haldex, though. I've told her that I feel
> the difference is probably significant, but I honestly have never driven a
> Haldex AWD system in a VW/Audi (here in the US, my only chance would be a
> TT). Certainly, when I drove a Haldex-style AWD system in another car
> (Subie... talk about super sucky performance!), I was not at all inspired.
> The handling was not neutral, and it was too easy to push it over the line
> (especially given the lethargic H4 engine).
>
> Speaking of Subie, she may consider a WRX. Anybody know if that's Haldex?
> I'd heard it was not, but I don't know for sure.
>
>> An A4 won't be priced *that* differently from the Passat. Don't stray :)
>
> Given my druthers, she'd drive an A4 too, but it's not my decision. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Brad
>
> 2000 A6 2.7 biturbo quattro http://www.quality.nu/bradw/audi/
> 2 turbos, 1 driver ... no limits
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: Bryan Rodgers <brodgers at omdc.on.ca>
> To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: quick question: equivilent Porsche list?
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:34:28 -0500
>
> a lot of you seem to be 'in the know', so I thought I'd ask here first
> before I take to getting lost in the surf...
>
> thanks for your help guys.
>
> I love Audi... ...but those darn Carrera 4's are just starting to look so
> darn nice ;)
>
> B
> 1986 4000s P.O.S. edition
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: VWs with AWD?
> To: lee at wheelman.com (Lee M. Levitt)
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:40:04 -0800 (PST)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> Lee M. Levitt writes:
>> Have you driven an AWD Passat yet? I test drove a wagon recently, and kept
>> checking to see if the handbrake was on. The thing was dogslow *and* rather
>> unimpressive inside.
>>
>> Also, btw, it uses the Haldex system, which is rather different (FWD biased)
>> than the quattro system.
>
> The Passat's 4Motion system *is* quattro IV. Not Haldex. Currently
> only the transverse engined models get the Haldex.
>
> -Ti
> 01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
> 84 5000S 2.1 turbo
> 80 4000 2.0
> --
> /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
> /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> /// ti at amb.org
> ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: A4 quattro
> To: ttiholov at rodeo.sd27.bc.ca (ttiholov)
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:48:55 -0800 (PST)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> ttiholov writes:
>> on 12/12/2001 21:37 quattro-admin at audifans.com wrote:
>>> same system as the "old" A4
>>
>> What is the difference between the old and the new A4 systems?
>
> No difference, except now the 3.0 model gets the 6-speed while the 1.8T
> stays with 5-speed if you opt with manual shift. The only thing new as
> far as transmission goes is the new Mutitronic CVT, but that is offered
> currently with front drive only. The "old" Tiptronic slushbox is also
> still offered.
>
> -Ti
> 01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
> 84 5000S 2.1 turbo
> 80 4000 2.0
> --
> /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
> /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> /// ti at amb.org
> ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: Trickle Down Technology
> To: kentmclean at mindspring.com (Kent McLean)
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:53:21 -0800 (PST)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> Kent McLean writes:
>> Sometimes I'd wish Audi would build a Chevy small block.
>> You know, the kind of engine that they build for 40 years
>
> That engine exists, it's the four cylinder that started life with
> the Audi Fox in 1973 and still lives in a very advanced tune in the 1.8T
> today in many cars under the VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda umbrella.
>
> -Ti
> 01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
> 84 5000S 2.1 turbo
> 80 4000 2.0
> --
> /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
> /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> /// ti at amb.org
> ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> From: "Mark Reis" <mark at reisources.com>
> To: "Bob" <mx at snet.net>, "quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: Carbon Wheels
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:50:08 -0800
>
> Ouch. I wish I hadn't seen that. Revising my X-Mas wish list as we speak.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <mx at snet.net>
> To: "quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:07 AM
> Subject: Carbon Wheels
>
>
>> Anyone know how much and where??
>>
>>
> http://216.234.235.111/ubb605/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=001
> 369
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Subject: Re: Quattro IV ...???
> To: michael at 1stchoicegranite.com (Michael L. Riebs)
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:41:47 -0800 (PST)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> Michael L. Riebs writes:
>> Here's my dumbfoundedness:
>> I guess I was vaguely aware of the development of the Quattro system over
>> the years, but I never knew the generational descriptions. Are we now using
>> Q5?
>
> See here for a quattro generations table (scroll to the bottom of the
> page):
>
> http://www.amb.org/ti/audi/usmodels.html
>
> -Ti
> 01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
> 84 5000S 2.1 turbo
> 80 4000 2.0
> --
> /// Ti Kan Vorsprung durch Technik
> /// AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
> /// ti at amb.org
> ////// http://www.amb.org/ti/
> ///
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> From: "Lundy, Andrew" <lundy at dmww.com>
> To: "'TM'" <t44tq at mindspring.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: Quattro IV ...???
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:45:55 -0600
>
> Taka,
>
> One note. I think you may have the II and III generations switched
> around!!? 80/90q's where quattro III. That's all I can offer, I have no
> idea about the II's!!
> ---
> Andrew Lundy
> 90 80q
> 99 A6q
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TM [mailto:t44tq at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:13 AM
> To: 'Michael L. Riebs'; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: Quattro IV ...???
>
>
> Michael,
> Much has been said about this in the past, but briefly:
>
> I: open diffs, lockable center and rear via vacuum actuation (UrQ,
> 4kq, VW QSW, 5kq/tq)
>
> II: Torsen center diff, open rear, lockable rear via vacuum actuation
> (80/90q, 100/200q, C4 100q, UrS (except '95.5+))
>
> III: ?? This could be the V8q- Torsen center and rear, I think?
>
> IV: Torsen center diff, open rear, Electronic Differential Lock (fancy
> name for a traction-control system on the rear axle using the ABS
> sensors and the brakes to equalize the rear wheels) (A4, A6, A8, '95.5+
> UrS, S4tt, S6, S8)
>
> V: Haldex AWD- electronically actuated differentials? (A4 chassis VWs
> and the TTq)
>
> I'm certain I've made some errors on this post- I know some listers will
> make whatever corrections are necessary. :-)
>
> As for how the system works, Audiworld has a nice FAQ, I think it's in
> their
> technical section.
>
> BTW- S4tts _DO NOT_ have dual Torsen diffs.
>
> Taka
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 23
> From: "Matt Brickell" <mbrickell at baronauto.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: newbie has 85 4KQ no start problem---help
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:18:21 -0600
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Hi. My 85 4k quattro will crank forever and not start. Then, sometimes, o=
> ut of the blue, I'll give it a try and it fires right up anjd drives fine. =
> Once it is running it will not stall, but may not start again once shut do=
> wn for any length of time. Cold or Hot, same thing. Any ideas? Where is=
> the fuel pump relay? What does it look like? Help appreciated. Thanks
>
> Matt Brickell
> Kansas City
>
> mbrickell at baronauto.com
> --
>
> Rennlist.com
John Naitove
95 A6QA
81 911SC
>
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