road rage...my first experience tonite.. LOCK YOUR DOORS!!!

[Peter Berrevoets]

AOJP - (from his following text)
Ability - Opportunity - Jeopardy - Preclusion

OODA Loop - (Decision model/process)
Observation - Orientation - Decision - Action Loop

HTH

Peter Berrevoets
1990 200TQ
Toronto, Canada
http://frontpage.home.net/pjberr/


> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: quattro-admin at audifans.com 
> >[mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> >Behalf Of quattro toronto
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:47 AM
> >To: beels at technologist.com; quattro at audifans.com
> >Subject: Re: road rage...my first experience tonite.. LOCK 
> >YOUR DOORS!!!
> >
> >
> >Sound advice (not necessarily Legal advice) but what the 
> >hell do AOJP and 
> >OODA loop mean?
> >
> >
> >>From: Richard Beels <beels at technologist.com>
> >>To: quattro at audifans.com
> >>Subject: Re: road rage...my first experience tonite.. LOCK 
> >YOUR DOORS!!!
> >>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:59:10 -0500
> >>
> >>The legal test for employing lethal force has nothing to do 
> >with someone
> >>yanking open your car door.  The pretty-much national 
> >standard in the US is
> >>called AOJP.  Some states have written into law certain 
> >scenarios where
> >>AOJP is defined to be met statutorily but the legal 
> >standard is AOJP.  (I'm
> >>not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, it's worth what 
> >you paid for it,
> >>consult your own attorney specializing in lethal force law, 
> >etc.....)
> >>
> >>Ability: Does the attacker have the means to cause you 
> >immediate death or
> >>great bodily harm? Gun, knife, bat, etc.
> >>
> >>Opportunity: Does said attacker have the ability to use the means
> >>IMMEDIATELY???  If I am holding a Glock 23 and am on the 
> >other side of a
> >>plate of bulletproof glass from you, no opportunity.
> >>
> >>Jeopardy: Does said attacker have the intent to cause 
> >immediate death or
> >>great bodily harm? I am standing behind you at the 7-11.  I 
> >am armed.  I
> >>have ability and opportunity to cause immediate death or 
> >great bodily
> >>harm...but I don't have the _intention_ of doing so....not 
> >a time when you
> >>can use deadly force.
> >>
> >>Finally, Preclusion:  Can you do something to preclude this 
> >attack from
> >>happening???  If so, you should, if you can do so SAFELY. 
> >Retreat, etc is
> >>advisable to employing deadly force.
> >>
> >>The important thing to remember, and I cannot hammer this 
> >home hard enough,
> >>is that AOJP is a *permissive* standard.  It tells you when you are
> >>*ALLOWED* to use lethal force.  They do not tell you when 
> >you *SHOULD* use
> >>lethal force.  Do not confuse justification with necessity.
> >>
> >>Distilled down to the "soundbite": You can use lethal force WHEN YOU
> >>REASONABLY BELIEVE YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE KILLED.
> >>
> >>There's more to it, of course.  Force continuum, the OODA 
> >loop, living your
> >>life in Yellow, etc...
> >>
> >>The most important lesson in this, of course, is that you 
> >MUST BE AWARE OF
> >>YOUR SURROUNDINGS.  It is much, much easier (and 
> >preferable) to avoid
> >>trouble in the first place, than to get out of it....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 08:49 2/10/2001,  james accordino was inspired to say:
> >>
> >>
> >>>He is coming dangerously close to filling someones
> >>>"asshole" bag limit.  In many states (Pa. is a
> >>>maybe-Az. definitly) you could have legally shot him
> >>>when he opened your door.  They "investigate", but
> >>>it's the same story.  You were trapped, threatened, he
> >>>"entered" your space, and then physically touched you.
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers!
> >>
> >
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