'77 Audi Fox Turbo

[edkellock at juno.com]

I will soon have 3 Audis.
I am single and live alone.
I have a 3 mile commute to work.

A Subaru Justy?!  My car-crazy upbringing
just wouldn't allow it.

Cheers,
Ed
Colorado Springs.

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:52:15 -0700 (MST) Iain Mannix <mannix at privatei.com>
writes:
> Heh.  I *am* one of those weirdos that believes cars are over-used 
> appliances.  I commute by bus and/or bicycle most of the time.  
> 
> HOWEVER, I'm not saying we do not "need" cars.  I ski a lot(hard 
> to ride my bike from Denver to Berthoud & still have energy to 
> ski).  Point is, a Subaru Justy will get most of us from A to 
> B as effectively as an S4(yes, slower, less comfy, blah blah 
> blah) - cheaper, even.  
> 
> I like cars a lot.  I like cars enough to own a 5kcsq - IE, I 
> own a car which exceeds my material needs simply because I 
> like it.  No problem there - but I'm fully aware that I do not 
> NEED something that will propel me up I70 far faster than 
> necessary.  I like it, though.
> 
> There's nothing *wrong* with Alex's brakes.  He likes them.  Fine.  
> 
> Great.  Cool.  
> 
> However, to say that the stock brakes are inadequate is flawed - 
> the stock brakes can be made to work fine; that's my point(I must 
> have bad aim or something, as some seem to be missing it:).  The 
> stock brakes, in decent condition, should NOT fade with one 
> hard stop, that's ridiculous.  Unsafe, even - if Audi 80 brakes 
> really did(normal operation) fade with one hard stop, there'd 
> be a Nader committe after them as we speak.  I simply 
> do not believe that the 80s brakes are THAT bad.  The 92 GTI 
> 16v weighs 2400# or so, has 9.4" vented rotors, simplistic 
> calipers - and it stops just fine, repeatedly, etc etc etc. A 
> smidge faster than an 80, too.  
> 
> Whatever:).  All I'm saying(or trying) is that the idea that the 
> 80s brakes are SO bad that Briaembowood brakes are necessary.
> 
> Cars, again.  I like modifying cars.  I (personally, IMHO, not 
> trying to belittle, get over it:) do not like modifying 
> street cars beyond reliable, easy power (WG springs and whatnot).  
> I spend most of my automotive energies on autocross cars - most 
> recently a Street Prepared Scirocco, a few Rabbits before that, 
> and we're currently putting together an E Prepared Rabbit(sorta 
> like GT5 for roadracer types, Street Prepared is closer to 
> IT).  It is TOTALLY unnecessary, but a whole lot of fun.  The 
> Rabbit is going to be a monster - 1680#, roughly 180hp, 
> good front suspension, cage, etc. 
> 
> Modifying cars for fun is great.  Do I need to spend all sorts 
> of time this weekend stripping the body to a shell?  No.  Do I 
> want to?  Yes.  Will it be fun?  Absolutely.  Do I need 
> a stupidfast Rabbit in order to spend tons of time and money 
> wandering around old airstrips?  Somehow, I doubt it, but it is 
> a good time.  
> 
> Need vs want - necessity vs luxury.  I have no problems with 
> luxuries, but don't try to justify them based on neglected 
> brakes:).  
> 
> That help?
> 
> 
> Iain(yes, this list has a lot of "mods" talk on it - the wrong 
> kind in my twisted little world, so MOST of the time I keep 
> my mouth shut.....Eibach springs do not make a racecar.  Oops:)
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 JShadzi at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > <<I've never seen you try to assert that your car's modifications 
> are based 
> > on _NEED_.  I'm all for fast cars, but to claim that the stock 
> brakes are 
> > inadequate is silly - they could be improved upon, sure, 
> > just about everything can be improved upon - but the stock brakes 
> can and do 
> > work just fine for lots of people, including people who roadrace 
> the cars.  I 
> > have no problem with spending money on cars for...>>
> > 
> >      Ok, I see where you are coming from, but where does your 
> logic end?  Do 
> > many of us even need cars?  There are alternative forms...its 
> kindof silly 
> > IMO, and maybe you have mistaken the demographic or reason for 
> this list.  If 
> > you observe many of the threads here, you will see that many of us 
> are 
> > intersted in performance upgrades, many of us are performance 
> oriented 
> > drivers, and the "need" factor is of little interest.  Once you 
> understand 
> > that, maybe some of the conversations here will make more sense.  
> I for one 
> > am not intersted in hearing whether my car "needs" anything, but 
> whether 
> > certain modifications will make my car perform better than its 
> already 
> > totally unnecesary performance capabilities (do any of us need to 
> hit the 
> > revlimiter at 145 mph???)
> > Javad
> > 
> 
> 
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