In a message dated 01-03-06 02:41:48 EST, you write: << Yeesh! I do know what an ur-Quattro is - do you know what this particular ur-Quattro is? >> Wasn't it one of Neal Pert (sp? - from Rush)'s Ur-Q's? If so, he had a lot of money, and probably could have done anything to the car... Later! Carter