R-12 conversion to R134 ... BTDT? Any regrets? Recommendations?

[cobram at juno.com]

Whether they have an agreement or not, the fact is that R12 is still
being produced in large quantities, as is excellent (but banned) fire
extinquisher halon 1301.  Producing countries and manufacturers will
supply any necessary certificates that the products are recycled etc. 
Current prices for european delivery from a certain Asian country is
US$2.64 per kg for CFC12 and US$8.79 per kg for halon 1301.  I am in the
export/import business (no, I don't deal with this stuff) and asked an
associate at a business lunch for prices/availability.  Prices are above,
availability - as much as you need.  

There are plenty of options for R12, but from speaking with military and
transport pilots, there are very few who feel comfortable flying with
non-halon fire extinguishing systems on board...

Just facts, not debate fodder.  No opinions expressed.

BCNU,
Cobram at Juno.Com
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1469/


 Larry C Leung <l.leung at juno.com> writes:
> To the best of my knowledge, one of the UN commisions got a worldwide
> agreement. Any R12 already produced can still be sold. After that, 
> it's
> gone.
> 
> LL - NY
> 
> On Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:39 -0400 David Conner
> <conner at cfm.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> >>From: cobram at juno.com
> >>To: conner at cfm.Ohio-State.edu
> >>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:33:22 -0300
> >>Subject: Re: R-12 conversion to R134 ... BTDT?  Any regrets? 
> >Recommendations?
> >>
> >>I don't know if it's still in production, but I inquired about the 
> 
> >price
> >(in Brazil)
> >>of a 15kg tank of R12, the stores here have as many as you can 
> carry 
> >at
> >R$100 a tank, or U$47.00 for a 30lb'er.  They must still be 
> >producing,
> >>because I saw brand new refrigerators for sale, production date of 
> 
> >April
> >>2001, still using R12.
> >>
> >>BCNU,
> >>Cobram at Juno.Com
> >>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1469/
> >>
> >>On Tue, 08 May 2001 22:21:23 -0400 David Conner
> >><conner at cfm.Ohio-State.edu> writes:
> >>>  refilled with R134 for U$40, the guy even commented
> >>> >that it was more expensive because the van uses the 
> "ecological" 
> >>> gas.  
> >>> >
> >>> 
> >>> Is R-12 still sold in Brazil?
> >>> Price?
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not sure about Larry Leung's statement that production of 
> R12 
> >is 
> >>> banned
> >>> worldwide.  I think I read that that ban doesn't take effect for 
> a 
> >
> >>> few more
> >>> years (2010?).
> >>> Dave C.