On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:25:55 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >ahh but i was talking about cycle batteries, car >batteries last 10 or 20 years Ok, I understand. I've never tried driving a motorcycle... :-) At least the small battery in my lawnmower is from 1978 and is still going (relatively) strong.. :) -- E. Spangen '90 Audi 200TQ 20v