Tire Size for My Coupe Quattro - Help!

Tue Apr 23 18:54:23 EDT 2002

Hi,

I have a set of 17"x7.5" rims that I will be using in my 1990 Coupe Quattro.
I understand that tires should have the same circumference all the way
around to maintain a proper balance for the differentials.  However, I
wonder what some of you tire and quattro experts feel about having different
width tires for the back as compared to the front.

If it is possible to go with wider tires in the back versus the front, will
I need to have a lower and wider tire for the back and a narrower and taller
tire for the front to make up for some of the addition to the circumference
added by the wider tire?  A possibility that comes to mind is 245/40/17 for
the back and 225/45/17 for the front.

What do you think?

Thanks,

Pedro
1990 CQ 3B - in progress (Engine and transmission are in.  I'm now doing the
wiring.)

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   1. RE:[urq] Optimum shifts - there was a program... (Bruce Bell)
   2. Drag racing for american iron only!!??? (Stpndsmnn at aol.com)
   3. Re:Subject: Re: 134a in a 90q system? (James at ringsperformance.com)
   4. Re:Insurance: How's Prudential? (Dave Glubrecht)
   5. Re:Insurance: How's Prudential? (Russ Maki)
   6. Re:4kq Clutch (Richard J. Andrews)
   7. Re:1984 4kq Brake Master cylinder (Richard J. Andrews)
   8. Re:Tire time, yecch! (Brame1 at aol.com)
   9. RE:Tire time, yecch! (Chander Balakrishnan)
  10. RE:[audi20v] THE place to buy your next Audi (x-posted) (Eric
Renneisen)
  11. 4Kq Callaway turbo kit (was European Car Magazine:  Project Audi Coupe
GT? (old)) (David.Ullrich at ferguson.com)
  12. RE:How plentiful are Golf/Jetta synchros? (David.Ullrich at ferguson.com)
  13. Re:4Kq Callaway turbo kit (was European Car Magazine:
       Project Audi Coupe GT? (old)) (Mihnea Cotet)
  14. RE:Tire time, yecch! (David.Ullrich at ferguson.com)
  15. RE:Drag racing for american iron only!!??? (TM)

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Message: 1
Reply-To: <bbell at surview.com>
From: "Bruce Bell" <bbell at surview.com>
To: <ur-quattro at msn.com>, "q-list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: [urq] Optimum shifts - there was a program...
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:45:34 -0600

Doug as long as you have scaled the torque to the proper gear ratio as I
think you intend, you are right on the money. This is essentially the method
illustrated in the VW h2o performance book mentioned below.

"Those of you with a passion for calculation will doubtless figure out that,
theoretically at least, the optimum shift point depends on the gear split.
Very true, but the difference is minimal and I, for one, am not about to
tell my drivers to use different shift points for different shifts. And,
yes, you could (and they did) program an automatic to do it."
Carroll Smith - "Drive to Win"

Bruce
(who finally found the quote)

-----Original Message-----
From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
Behalf Of Doug Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:53 PM
To: q-list
Subject: RE: [urq] Optimum shifts - there was a program...

How 'bout normalizing the torque curve to wheel (road) speed?
Plot each gear's torque versus wheel (road) speed; five torque curves on the
same graph.
Each will start at the same point (0,0), but each successive gear will peak
at a higher wheel (road) speed.
Select the gear that maximizes torque for any given wheel (road) speed.
Please tell me where I've erred in my thinking....

-----Original Message-----
From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
Behalf Of Bruce Bell
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:02 AM
To: Brandon Rogers; Fundsalo Racing; urquattro list;
quattro at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [urq] Optimum shifts - there was a program...

I think (sometimes), in spite of my last post on this topic, that we tend to
make life more difficult than necessary.  Carroll Smith, "Drive to Win",
recommends locating a long straight, starting in second and timing a run to
a specific point on the track using the same shift point for each gear.
Repeat the run with a shift point 300 rpm lower or higher until you have the
best time. He points out, according to theory, each gear should have its own
optimal shift point, however he would never ask a driver to shift at a
different point for each gear.

The VW Water Cooled Performance Handbook has a graphical method for
computing shift points as well as a GW basic (old book) program that is a
bit more sophisticated.

For the HP/Torque chart try:
http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/hpgraph.html#5000t  Note estimates can be
almost straight lined form the torque peak to the HP peak. The area of most
interest for this discussion is the curve after the HP peak.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Rogers [mailto:brogers at terrix.com]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:32 AM
To: Fundsalo Racing; bbell at surview.com; urquattro list;
quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [urq] Optimum shifts - there was a program...

This thread has contiued to educate me.  And I've been experimenting with
shifts a little bit, unfortunately without a stopwatch.  Thanks for all the
input.

There are several racers, tuners, etc on this list--have any of you put your
modded 10V turbo on a dyno and produced graphs or charts we could see?

Brandon
'84 ur
'98 A4

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:59:59 -0400
From: Stpndsmnn at aol.com
To: Quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Drag racing for american iron only!!???

Any one who says that drag racing is only for american iron is dead wrong. =
 Have you ever gone to an import drag and seen a rotary pull off a seven se=
cond pass...  or how about a 10 second Honda that will eat a V8 for breakfa=
st.  Not to mention the daily driven Talons and Eclipses that are able to r=
un 9 second 1/4s and then drive home.  Try that with a V8!  If a V-tec Hond=
a can be turned in a strip monster why not an Audi!!??

Matt Kramer
'83 CGT turbo strip car

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Message: 3
From: <James at ringsperformance.com>
To: "Christopher Ritchie" <critchie1 at hotmail.com>,
	<quattro at audifans.com>
Cc: <tech at flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: 134a in a 90q system?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:04:18 -0600

> >Ester oil works for both R12 and R134,
> >so you
> >don't have to flush! :-)
> ***************************************
>
>
> I don't think so.  Check this carefully.  I believe ester is for R-12
only.

All I know is what I had to learn (not much) to get my EPA609 certification,
and what the folks selling the stuff claim. Read this and draw your own
conclusion. http://www.technicalchemical.com/prod11.htm

As always, your evaporator-outlet-temperature may vary.

cu, James Marriott
'84 4kq beater, 217k, for sale (BUY IT!)
'87 4kq (alias "late-B2 90q") with rare ersatz NG engine, 184k
'89 200q (MC1, ProconTen/no bag, 1.8 blah blah), 142k
Boise, ID, USA     http://www.webpak.net/~marriott/
www.ringsperformance.com

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Message: 4
From: "Dave Glubrecht" <daveglu at hotmail.com>
To: "Brian O'" <briano_72 at yahoo.com>, "Robert Deis" <rdeis at io.com>,
	"quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance: How's Prudential?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:20:26 -0700

Stay far far away from AIG, I used to get their mailings and always intended
to mail it back to them with a "No Way, I know how you do buisness"
  Dave G    (prior experiance as an independant adjuster)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian O'" <briano_72 at yahoo.com>
To: "Robert Deis" <rdeis at io.com>; "quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Insurance: How's Prudential?

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 oooohhhhh, heres a bad subject, eh ?? well, working at a bodyshop, and
thats where we all use insurance, right ??, prudentials pretty good, stay
far, far away from allstate, and nationwide, they are not on your side !!!
progressive, state farm, very good, erie is ok, its a good thing there are
no a/m body parts out there for our audis, thats all i can say, a/m parts
use is terrible nowadays, even with all the lawsuits going on, and if your
other car is domestic, look out around crash time !!! they even make us put
re-man wheels on 2 year old cars !!!! and they look at midas for exhaust
stuff !!!!

brian o'
93 90 cs
93 100 csq
88 944 turbo s ( for sale )
90 80 ( paid for and gone as of 6:30 tonight !!!!!!!!  :-)   )

  Robert Deis <rdeis at io.com> wrote:
I'm shopping for insurance on my new house, and house often goes with car
for the package discount, sooo..

Any of you guy have good or bad experiences to relate about dealing with
Prudential?

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Message: 5
From: "Russ Maki" <rinard at execpc.com>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance: How's Prudential?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:32:32 -0500

Funny how some insurance carriers have a love 'em or hate 'em reputation.
State Farm was really bruised in the press awhile back, and they're
certainly the 800-lb. gorilla out there...but I like them too. They coughed
up more than $5000 to make my E30 BMW cabrio right a few years ago after I
slid into a guard rail... D'oh, I shoulda been driving my 4kq (MAC).

I HAVE been a loyal customer for 30 years and haven't given them too much
trouble ;-)

Russ Maki
Ixonia, Wis.

> From: Brian O' <briano_72 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Insurance: How's Prudential?
> To: Robert Deis <rdeis at io.com>, quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>
>  oooohhhhh, heres a bad subject, eh ?? well, working at a bodyshop, and
tha=
> ts where we all use insurance, right ??, prudentials pretty good, stay
far,=
>  far away from allstate, and nationwide, they are not on your side !!!
prog=
> ressive, state farm, very good, erie is ok, its a good thing there are no
a=
> /m body parts out there for our audis, thats all i can say, a/m parts use
i=
> s terrible nowadays, even with all the lawsuits going on, and if your
other=
>  car is domestic, look out around crash time !!! they even make us put
re-m=
> an wheels on 2 year old cars !!!! and they look at midas for exhaust stuff
=
> !!!!
>
=
>                    brian o'
> 93 90 cs
> 93 100 csq
> 88 944 turbo s ( for sale )
> 90 80 ( paid for and gone as of 6:30 tonight !!!!!!!!  :-)   )

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:37:16 -0500
To: Mholme3 at aol.com
From: "Richard J. Andrews" <tech at flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4kq Clutch
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

get 6 ton jack stands and elevate the whole car..
take out the two rear subframe bolts to allow the transmission to come out
easier.
rent a good transmission jack, i'd stick with a sachs clutch kit try
www.bimmerparts.com

HTH!
rich
'86 4kq
At 08:25 PM 4/22/02, you wrote:
>Well, I got my car back to the house and started disassembly per Robert
>Bentley.  Now, originally I had planned on removing everything up until the
>transmission and letting a shop just drop the trans and put the new clutch
>in.  But after spending all day (and I mean all day) underneath the car,
I'm
>not so sure I can't complete the rest of the procedure.  I only have the
>upper bolts at the bell housing and the trans mounts to go.  My only issue
is
>safely elevating the car high enough to move the trans out and also
>supporting the transmission on it's way down/out.  I've got the car fairly
>high, higher than I've ever had to  lift it, but it still won't clear the
>transmission.  Anyone have any suggestions?  Also, what options over stock
do
>I have for a clutch?  I'm confident I can complete this with a little
>collective wisdom from this list.  Thanks for any and all help.
>
>Marques
>87 4kq

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:43:19 -0500
To: rcr_x at yahoo.com
From: "Richard J. Andrews" <tech at flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 4kq Brake Master cylinder
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

coupe GT 86+ i believe.
anyways, zygmunt also known as www.bimmerparts.com has one for $109

HTH!
rich
'86 4kq
At 05:28 PM 4/22/02, you wrote:
>The brake MC on my wife's car popped last night but
>she made it home OK. I've done some calling around and
>can't seem to find one for under $170 or so locally.
>Any suggestions or compatible parts from other cars?
>Thanks for your time people!
>
>=====
>Jeremy Willcuts
>Professsional Computer Source
>Tualatin, OR
>503-691-0304
>tech at professionalcomputersource.com
>
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Message: 8
From: Brame1 at aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:32:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Tire time, yecch!
To: j.d.larson at verizon.net, quattro at audifans.com

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I just replaced my OEM ContiTouringContact CH95s with Toyo 205 55 R16 Toyo
Proxes TPT 94H for $367.40 (Tires, Balance, Valve Stems, MD Environmental
Fee) plus a 4 wheel alignment for $78.00 at 45,600 miles on my 99A6Q.  Toyo
offers a 65,000 mile treadwear limited warranty.

The new tires seem to grip a little better and seem to be quieter.  Time
will
tell.

Regards,

Nick Brame  Darnestown, MD
301-656-1210 ext. 259 or 301-840-5931
Insurance, Investments, Financial Services and Retirement Planning
Helping People Make Smart Choices With Their Money

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Message: 9
From: "Chander Balakrishnan" <balakrishnan3 at attbi.com>
To: <Brame1 at aol.com>, <j.d.larson at verizon.net>,
	<quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: Tire time, yecch!
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:06:52 -0500

I have had Pirelli P400's on my 87 5kcsq for 2 years now.  Quiet and quite
responsive.  Very cheap.

I installed Nokian NRW's on my 90 200 tqw 3 months ago.  We went on a long
trip from Chicago to Brattleboro, VT and back a month ago, and the tires
were fantastic.  The traction in the snow in VT was far better than I
experienced last year when I had BFG Comp-TA HR4 tires.  The tires are also
quite quiet.

While in VT, I took a morning off to visit Chris Semple @ Concord.  I wish I
could have spent more time there, but wife was sitting in the car with a
book and giving me dirty looks. BAd mistake, taking wife to Chris' place !!

-----Original Message-----
From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
Behalf Of Brame1 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:33 AM
To: j.d.larson at verizon.net; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Tire time, yecch!

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I just replaced my OEM ContiTouringContact CH95s with Toyo 205 55 R16 Toyo
Proxes TPT 94H for $367.40 (Tires, Balance, Valve Stems, MD Environmental
Fee) plus a 4 wheel alignment for $78.00 at 45,600 miles on my 99A6Q.  Toyo
offers a 65,000 mile treadwear limited warranty.

The new tires seem to grip a little better and seem to be quieter.  Time
will
tell.

Regards,

Nick Brame  Darnestown, MD
301-656-1210 ext. 259 or 301-840-5931
Insurance, Investments, Financial Services and Retirement Planning
Helping People Make Smart Choices With Their Money

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:28:03 -0400
From: Eric Renneisen <racingiron at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [audi20v] THE place to buy your next Audi (x-posted)
To: 'Andrew Buc' <abuc at attglobal.net>,
	'quattro' <quattro at audifans.com>
Reply-To: racingiron at comcast.net

Andrew Buc wrote:
> Is that short for American Express?

Yup.

> If so, do you have to be a cardholder to be
> eligible?

Nope.

Eric Renneisen
'90 CQ 20V  -  my wife's "racing-iron"  ;^)
'85 urq  -  scheduled for surgery
Chattanooga, TN

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Message: 11
Subject: 4Kq Callaway turbo kit (was European Car Magazine:  Project Audi
Coupe GT? (old))
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:22:27 -0400
From: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
To: <ti at amb.org>, <auditude at get.net>
Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>

Does anybody know whether this kit is still in production? Or are there any=
 "kits" available that would work on my Coupe GT (2.3 NG engine)? I'd rathe=
r not do a complete engine swap since Special Build Coupes are pretty rare =
but I'd LOVE more power...

Dave

1987.5 Audi Coupe GT "Special Build" 2.3 - Anthracite Black
1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T - For Sale CHEAP

-----Original Message-----
From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:59 PM
To: auditude at get.net
Cc: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: European Car Magazine: Project Audi Coupe GT? (old)

auditude at get.net writes:
> I didn't realize EC mag did a project series on the Coupe GT.
> I saw the reference to it on the SJM website.  This was back
> around '86-87 or so, before my involvement with Audi's and EC.

It was a red 1986 Coupe GT, with a 4Kq Callaway turbo kit installed,
and a custom leather interior.  Also the usual (suspension, wheels,
etc).

-Ti
01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
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    ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
   ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti at amb.org
 //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
///

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Message: 12
Subject: RE: How plentiful are Golf/Jetta synchros?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:25:39 -0400
From: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
To: <ti at amb.org>, <broth at sanjuan.edu>
Cc: <broth at sanjuan.edu>, <chrisdyer at hotmail.com>,
	<quattro at audifans.com>

I question whether the Gen1/2 Passat is really a stretched A platform. Acco=
rding to everything I've read on the cars and according to the VWVortex sit=
e=2E..they were indeed B3/B4 Passats. Plus just look at them, they look lik=
e identical twins to the Audi 80/90.

Dave

1987.5 Audi Coupe GT "Special Build" 2.3 - Anthracite Black
1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T - For Sale CHEAP

-----Original Message-----
From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Brian Roth
Cc: Brian Roth; 'Chris Dyer'; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: How plentiful are Golf/Jetta synchros?

Brian Roth writes:
> I think you're right. They must have changed the name from Quantum to Pas=
sat
> at some point (at least in the U.S.)
>
> > ----------
> > From: 	Chris Dyer
> >
> > Not very plentiful; not a big seller for VW, even in the northern state=
s=2E
> > It
> > was actally a fraternal twin to the audi 4/5000q w/5cyl (2.2L I think?)
> > w/5spd. OOPS, and they were called Quantums in US, Passat in Europe
> > methinks.
> >
> > check it:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/3233/syncronized.html
> >
> > If you find one in good shape, it could be a fun car--I've always liked
> > them. There's also some qq-heads (that's quantum quattro!) that have
> > turbo-ized their quantums.

The Passat had traditionally been closely associated with the VAG B platform
(i.e., Audi 80/4000/80/90/A4) with one notable exception, which is the late-
80s to mid-90s model.  That model had a transversely mounted engine unlike
all other Passats.

The name has always been Passat in Europe since the beginning.  The US
got different names, the B1 generation was the Dasher (essentially the same
platform as Audi Fox in the US), the B2 was the Quantum (similar to the
Audi 4000).  When Audi went to the B3/B4 platforms (Audi 80/90), the
VW Passat went to a special stretched A platform, and the name was
unified to be Passat for the US.  The current (post-98) Passat is once
again based on the B5 platform which is shared with the Audi A4.

-Ti
01 S4 2.7 biturbo quattro
84 5000S 2.1 turbo
80 4000 2.0
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    ///  Ti Kan                Vorsprung durch Technik
   ///   AMB Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti at amb.org
 //////  http://www.amb.org/ti/
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:57:54 +0200
To: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
From: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
Subject: Re: 4Kq Callaway turbo kit (was European Car Magazine:
  Project Audi Coupe GT? (old))
Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>

At 07:22 23/04/2002 -0400, David.Ullrich at ferguson.com wrote:
>Does anybody know whether this kit is still in production? Or are there
>any "kits" available that would work on my Coupe GT (2.3 NG engine)? I'd
>rather not do a complete engine swap since Special Build Coupes are pretty
>rare but I'd LOVE more power...

IIRC it's been quite a while since Callaway discontinued it and apparently,
there's no way for them to make any more of these kits. You can however
contact Mike Gough (mdg3369 at mac.com) and ask him all the details about his
Wannabe Callaway kit (you can also search the archives for "Wannabe
Calloway kit" and find the thread that was discussed about a year ago)

HTH,

Mihnea

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Message: 14
Subject: RE: Tire time, yecch!
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:59:17 -0400
From: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
To: <j.d.larson at verizon.net>, <quattro at audifans.com>

I HIGHLY recommend the Kumho High Performance- ECSTA 716 HP4. I'd also reco=
mmend going with a 205/60/15. My Passat came with 195/65/15 Conti CH95 tire=
s, which have lasted over 77,000 miles, which tells you something about how=
 un-sporty they are. Anyway, when I got my coupe, the tires were shot from =
bad struts/shock, so I got a set of the new-at-the-time High Performance- E=
CSTA 716 HP4 in 185/60/14. Well, I LOVE them. The definitely will be the ne=
xt set of shoes for my Passat, assuming the rock hard Contis ever wear out =
before I sell her. Check out some info on the Kumhos here: http://www.kumho=
usa.com/pages/pcr/716specs.htm

Dave

1987.5 Audi Coupe GT "Special Build" 2.3 - Anthracite Black
1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T - For Sale CHEAP

-----Original Message-----
From: John Larson [mailto:j.d.larson at verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:49 PM
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Tire time, yecch!

Any comments on tire choice for our 95 A6QA? Currently running Goodyear
Eagle GT2 P195/65 R15.  The 20v 90Q runs Dunlops, which I like.  Can't
really complain at the 45K we've gotten on these, but I'd like some input
regarding choices.  BTW, we don't even have weather here on the CA central
coast, and Lyn uses this car for her commute on the freeway, so a good
general purpose tire will do fine.  TIA, John

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Message: 15
From: "TM" <t44tq at mindspring.com>
To: <Quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: RE: Drag racing for american iron only!!???
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:17:09 -0400

Two reasons not to try and seriously drag race an Audi:

1. They're not bad at road racing, something that a Buick GN will never
be good at.
2. They cost far too much to make fast at the strip.

If I ever get into drag racing, it will be behind the wheel of something
like a
GN or Mustang.

Taka

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