quattro digest, Vol 1 #3882 - Type 44 safety rating

[Larry C Leung]

Hello Listers,

As far as I recall, those ratings are correct. The problem with the
earlier (pre-89 ProconTen) cars
was that the steering column was too rigid, and without the seat belt
pre-tensioners the driver
dummy experienced large forces when it impacted upon the steering wheel.
The later cars
with the ProconTen went to 5 stars, the airbag actually didn't do too
much to improve things (although
it probably helps some). Note, these are barrier crashes, head on, which
compares the car
to a crash with another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed
of 30 MPH (total relative
velocity of 60 MPH or approximately 100 kph) [if someone REALLY needs a
physics explanation,
I will try to help, but you'd REALLY better want it.... it's real busy
this time of the school year].
The later cars are all much better at offset head-on collisions, and
those with side airbags
are superior in side collisions. I guess those of us with type 44s should
use their nimble ;-) handling
to avoid the side and offset collisions. Just a note, keep in mind, due
to all of the added safety
equipment on the newer cars has brought up the mass of even some
relatively small cars up
near to the mass of a type 44, particularly the 5K's (pre '89), so pick
your fights carefully.

LL - NY, a.k.a. the Physics Teacher







> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0700
> From: Efraim Gavrilovich <egav at wireless2000.com>
> Subject: Re: Type 44/5000 safety rating
> To: bswann at worldnet.att.net, quattro at audifans.com
> Cc: "SWANN (E-mail)" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
>
> As much as I don't believe it, I did find the information your
> buyer's wife
> might have referred to. It's here:
> http://www.crashtest.com/explanations/archive/crash.htm#anchor232806
> It shows one star driver side and five star passenger side ratings
> at
> frontal impact for 1985 5000. The rating for 1989 for 100 shows big
> improvement - five stars both sides. I am sure something was wrong
> with the
> testing in 1985, but it's there, black on white. Too bad this poor
> woman
> believed these so called "facts".
> Efraim Gavrilovich
> 1988 5KTQ 345,000km (216K mi), 1.8 Bar
> 1990 90 123,000km (77K mi)
> Vancouver, Canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Swann" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: "SWANN (E-mail)" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:30 PM
> Subject: Type 44/5000 safety rating
>
>
> > OK - Listers, I'd appreciate some help with this one.  I had
> always been
> > under the impression that out Type 44's were rather safe.  Please
> help me
> > refute this.  I thought I saw some testimonials awhile back
> proclaiming
> > that in this very type of drivers side accident the occupants came
> out
> > miraculously unscathed, while the other vehicle disintegrated on
> impact,
> or
> > something to that effect.
> >
> > I personally con't see how this can be knowing something of the
> > construction of these cars.  The only thing I can see is these
> safety
> > rating are making a comparison to the newer luxury cars with side
> impact
> > air bags, and even then, I question this rating.
> >
> > Here is what happened - the potential buyer of my '87 5000 turbo
> quattro
> > avant backed out due to the following email:
> >
> > Joe Buyer here.  I've run into a bit of a snag with my wife
> regarding the
> > purchase of your avant.  She's a firm believer in safety ratings
> and when
> > she looked up the stuff on the 87 5000's was not amused at their 1
> star
> > drivers side rating in the 83-88 range.  Unless I can find
> something in
> > print somewhere to convince here otherwise I'm afraid I'm going to
> have to
> > pass on the car.
> >
> > Sorry,
> >
> > Joe Buyer
> >
> > Name changed to protect the identity of the buyer.
> >
> > Doesn't change my opinion of these cars, but this really bothers
> me, in
> > addition to not selling the car.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Green <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: compression test #'s help
> To: Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>, quattro at audifans.com
>
> --- Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   Listers,
> >
> >   I have a frantic problem I'm burning oil at a good
> > rate in my 90 200tqa with 209k
> >  so I performed a compression test and would like to
> > know what these #'s mean
> >  If you'r lookin at the head from the front I get
> > #1) 120
>
> Good
>
> > #2) 150
>
> Really Good,  Must have some gunk on those rings:)
>
> > #3) 120
>
> Good
>
> > #4) 120
>
> Good
>
> > #5) 120
>
>
> >   So how can I interpret these #'s?
>
> These are nothing to be ashamed of, especially if your
> at altitude.
>
> >  The only other things that could be draining the
> > amount of oil i'm loosin is eather the valve seals,
>
> There you, go smoke on startup and rundown would show
> bad valve seals.
>
> >  or the turbo and is there a way to check the turbo?
> >  Any help would be great
>
> Turbo would give you a the mosquito fogger effect on
> acceleration.  My bet is on those valve seals though.
>
> HTH,
>
> =====
> Jim Green
> '89 90tq 034EFI, Haltech IG5
> http://www.geocities.com/jeg1976/car_home.html
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "John Parry" <parryj at mb.sympatico.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Steering Rack "Tag"?
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:15:08 -0500
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Hi All,
>
> Need to replace a steering rack on a 1989 100 but all the parts
> suppliers are asking for a "tag" number. I cannot find a tag on the
> rack at all, the S/N plate is staring me inj the face but no tag.
>
> has anybody else ran into this or knows what the difference is?
>
> Thanks in advance (I'm on digest!)
>
> John Parry
> Wpg
> Audi 100 305000 KM
> --
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> To: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
> From: Gerard <gerard at poboxes.com>
> Subject: Re: Clutch slave & master cylinder pricing...
> Reply-To: gerard at poboxes.com
> Cc: gerard <gerard at poboxes.com>, audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:01:13 +0200
>
> >Import Parts Specialists in Boise, Idaho.  IPS.com, I
>
> I've dealt with IPS before when I ordered a set of Glyco bearings
> for my engine. What a mission. I eventually had to get my money
> back.
> Something went horribly wrong with that deal. I don't think they'd
> want to hear from me again. :P
>
> G.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> From: Gerard <gerard at poboxes.com>
> Subject: Another clutch slave cylinder question...
> Reply-To: gerard at poboxes.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:08:02 +0200
>
> Can one interchange 443 721 401 and 4A0 721 261? I think the former
> use a spring pin as its retainer while the latter is bolted in. I
> am not sure.
>
> G.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "Knut Arne Glesne" <kaglesne at hotmail.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: WR-engine into '86 Coupé quattro - Throttle-wire?
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:38:20 +0200
>
> Last weekend we dropped in the WR-engine into the engine-bay, but
> there's still some work to be done...
> This is what it looks like right now:
> http://home.no.net/glesne/Temp/Audi/P8250004.jpg
> Quite a mess, I must say...
>
> My throttle-wire is not long enough for the WR-engine. Could I just
> use
> an UrQ-wire instead, or won't it fit the linkage in my car?
>
> --
> Knut Arne Glesne
> =B486 Coup=E9 quattro (Soon with turbo!)
> www.glesne.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "Chander Balakrishnan" <balakrishnan3 at attbi.com>
> To: "Efraim Gavrilovich" <egav at wireless2000.com>,
>         <bswann at worldnet.att.net>, <quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: "SWANN (E-mail)" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: RE: Type 44/5000 safety rating
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:13:34 -0500
>
> My anecdotal experience would corroborate Efraim's comments re: the
> 1985
> test numbers.  Just ask for testimonials from listers -- I am sure
> there are
> many among us who have had very bad accidents and have walked away
> without a
> serious injury or any injury at all.  I know of at least 2 such
> incidents,
> and I was in one of them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of Efraim Gavrilovich
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:05 PM
> To: bswann at worldnet.att.net; quattro at audifans.com
> Cc: SWANN (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Type 44/5000 safety rating
>
>
> As much as I don't believe it, I did find the information your
> buyer's wife
> might have referred to. It's here:
> http://www.crashtest.com/explanations/archive/crash.htm#anchor232806
> It shows one star driver side and five star passenger side ratings
> at
> frontal impact for 1985 5000. The rating for 1989 for 100 shows big
> improvement - five stars both sides. I am sure something was wrong
> with the
> testing in 1985, but it's there, black on white. Too bad this poor
> woman
> believed these so called "facts".
> Efraim Gavrilovich
> 1988 5KTQ 345,000km (216K mi), 1.8 Bar
> 1990 90 123,000km (77K mi)
> Vancouver, Canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Swann" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: "SWANN (E-mail)" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:30 PM
> Subject: Type 44/5000 safety rating
>
>
> > OK - Listers, I'd appreciate some help with this one.  I had
> always been
> > under the impression that out Type 44's were rather safe.  Please
> help me
> > refute this.  I thought I saw some testimonials awhile back
> proclaiming
> > that in this very type of drivers side accident the occupants came
> out
> > miraculously unscathed, while the other vehicle disintegrated on
> impact,
> or
> > something to that effect.
> >
> > I personally con't see how this can be knowing something of the
> > construction of these cars.  The only thing I can see is these
> safety
> > rating are making a comparison to the newer luxury cars with side
> impact
> > air bags, and even then, I question this rating.
> >
> > Here is what happened - the potential buyer of my '87 5000 turbo
> quattro
> > avant backed out due to the following email:
> >
> > Joe Buyer here.  I've run into a bit of a snag with my wife
> regarding the
> > purchase of your avant.  She's a firm believer in safety ratings
> and when
> > she looked up the stuff on the 87 5000's was not amused at their 1
> star
> > drivers side rating in the 83-88 range.  Unless I can find
> something in
> > print somewhere to convince here otherwise I'm afraid I'm going to
> have to
> > pass on the car.
> >
> > Sorry,
> >
> > Joe Buyer
> >
> > Name changed to protect the identity of the buyer.
> >
> > Doesn't change my opinion of these cars, but this really bothers
> me, in
> > addition to not selling the car.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Subject: Re: WR-engine into '86 CoupX quattro - Throttle-wire?
> From: Marc Swanson <mswanson at sonitrol.net>
> To: Knut Arne Glesne <kaglesne at hotmail.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Date: 28 Aug 2002 08:04:35 -0400
>
> > My throttle-wire is not long enough for the WR-engine. Could I
> just use
> > an UrQ-wire instead, or won't it fit the linkage in my car?
>
> yes, UrQ throttle cable is perfect for this application.  Bolt up.
> Used
> one in my 4ktq (w/MC engine).
>
>
> Later
>
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Marc Swanson, Software Engineer
> Sonitrol Communications Corp.
> Hartford, CT
>
> Email: mswanson at sonitrol.net
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>
> Message: 15
> From: Grant Bessom <GBessom at Intersections.com>
> To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: Type 44/5000 safety rating
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:08:32 -0400
>
> You may have been referring to "JordanVw at aol.com" accident -or maybe
> not.
> He has a website that has pictures showing his type 44 that was
> broadsided.
> I can't seem to locate the site.
>
> Grant
>
>
>
>
>
>
> |Message: 15
> |From: Ben Swann <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> |Reply-To: "bswann at worldnet.att.net" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> |To: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
> |Cc: "SWANN (E-mail)" <bswann at worldnet.att.net>
> |Subject: Type 44/5000 safety rating
> |Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:30:00 -0400
> |Organization: Swann Family
> |
> |OK - Listers, I'd appreciate some help with this one.  I had
> |always been
> |under the impression that out Type 44's were rather safe.
> |Please help me
> |refute this.  I thought I saw some testimonials awhile back
> proclaiming
> |that in this very type of drivers side accident the occupants came
> out
> |miraculously unscathed, while the other vehicle disintegrated
> |on impact, or
> |something to that effect.
> |
> |I personally con't see how this can be knowing something of the
> |construction of these cars.  The only thing I can see is these
> safety
> |rating are making a comparison to the newer luxury cars with
> |side impact
> |air bags, and even then, I question this rating.
> |
> |Here is what happened - the potential buyer of my '87 5000
> |turbo quattro
> |avant backed out due to the following email:
> |
> |Joe Buyer here.  I've run into a bit of a snag with my wife
> |regarding the
> |purchase of your avant.  She's a firm believer in safety
> |ratings and when
> |she looked up the stuff on the 87 5000's was not amused at their 1
> star
> |drivers side rating in the 83-88 range.  Unless I can find
> something in
> |print somewhere to convince here otherwise I'm afraid I'm
> |going to have to
> |pass on the car.
> |
> |Sorry,
> |
> |Joe Buyer
> |
> |Name changed to protect the identity of the buyer.
> |
> Doesn't change my opinion of these cars, but this really bothers me,
> in
> |addition to not selling the car.
> |
> |TIA,
> |
> |Ben
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
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