The weight thing has gotten ridiculous lately- the A4 3.0q is over 3800 lbs. with an automatic. Larry, don't attach the whole digest! :-) Taka --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02