Gas line leaking on '93 100 csq
Tom B
dr_hydro at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 23 14:31:06 EST 2002
Howdy all,
After catching a faint wiff of gas upon exiting the passenger side of my
wifes car, I took a look underneath the car and found a fuel leak. One of
the fuel lines is leaking where it goes into a mount located underneath the
passenger side door, towards the front of the car. I seem to remember other
posts on this problem, so I took a stroll down archive lane to refresh the
old brain cells..unfortunately I was unable to find a consensus on a solid,
reliable fix for this. Any good ideas, besides the obvious of buying a new
line (shudders at spending that kind of dough this time of year)?
TIA
Tom
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> 1. Re:New front wheel bearing (John Larson)
> 2. step1:exhaust r&r complete (scott thomas)
> 3. Re:New front wheel bearing (Tom Nas)
> 4. Re:Recaro SE in Oak Harbor, Washington ! (Tom Nas)
> 5. RE:Strut stop bushings for A6 Bilstein shocks (Bob Rossato)
> 6. Re:step1:exhaust r&r complete (JShadzi at aol.com)
> 7. Bentley CD for 91 80 - Owner's Manual too? (Fourkguy at aol.com)
> 8. 4kq e-brake adjust? (George Nimmer)
> 9. Xmas :) (Jukka Majanen)
> 10. Re:Eibach springs on 4kq? (Brady Moffatt)
> 11. NG-NF shortblock differences? (Dave Glubrecht)
> 12. Re:4kq e-brake adjust? (Ray Rollins)
> 13. Olympic 1988 5TQ Sequel (Dr. Ian McArthur)
> 14. Re:Strut stop bushings for A6 Bilstein shocks (Huw Powell)
> 15. Re:4kq e-brake adjust? (George Nimmer)
> 16. Re:Strange badge engineering (Jim Haseltine)
> 17. Re:Strange badge engineering (Huw Powell)
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>Message: 1
>From: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>
>To: <tnas at euronet.nl>, <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: Re: New front wheel bearing
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:47:33 -0800
>
>I suggest the inner race has worn away, not been the subject of a "monkey
>lad"s grinding adventure. If you let a noisy wheel bearing go too long,
>that's an inevitable result. In this case, the monkey lad was the
>operator.
>No offense, Tom, but that would be you ....... John
>
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>Message: 2
>From: "scott thomas" <scott at dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:42:42 -0500
>To: quattro at audifans.com
>Subject: step1:exhaust r&r complete
>
>I took the uncracked and unwarped exhaust off my kh turbo cylinder
>head. Next, I diassembled the mc1 head/intake/exhaust. The exaust and
>all of the studs came off without a single hitch. Only two studs
>remained and they came off easily by using two exhaust nuts with the
>shoulders facing each other. Just to be safe, I kept going back and
>forth to clean the threads and allow some lube to get in there. The
>stud holes were shiny and clean, so I'm going to leave it the way it
>is.
>
>Additionally, I'm lucky the previous owner of the 5ktq did a half
>assed job of reassembling the upper end; all of the intake bolts were
>a tad over hand tight, with two missing. I guess that's why I had a
>rich mixture.
>
>I'm still out on wether to use loctite blue or red, or nothing on the
>studs. The reason why I'm doing this job is because one stud kept
>backing out (even though I had a broken one). It wasn't the nut, but
>the stud. Chances are, I'll go without.
>
>For the folks that do use loctite, red or blue, and how long has your
>setup held up for? Loctite on the nuts, too? I know that the assembly
>get way hotter than the loctite can handle, but just wanted to know.
>
>Next, I'm not so worried about the entire job as I am about
>reinstalling the assembly myself. That thing is heavy! I just don't
>want to damage the head gasket. Any BTDT'S? Also, I'm gonna be doing
>my timing belt along with the job. I have a breaker bar and pipe and
>I'm going to go the monkey lad route and leave it in gear with the
>brakes applied or use the starter. The latter is a trick I've don'e
>several times by mistake; I forgot the ratchet on the crank nut and
>started the engine. It works, though
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:11:51 +0100
>To: "John Larson" <j.d.larson at verizon.net>, <quattro at audifans.com>
>From: Tom Nas <tnas at euronet.nl>
>Subject: Re: New front wheel bearing
>
>At 08:47 21-12-02 -0800, John Larson wrote:
> >I suggest the inner race has worn away, not been the subject of a "monkey
> >lad"s grinding adventure. If you let a noisy wheel bearing go too long,
> >that's an inevitable result. In this case, the monkey lad was the
>operator.
> >No offense, Tom, but that would be you ....... John
>
>I was wondering about that, but my mechanic friend and his colleague told
>me it was clearly grinding damage. Just one score mark and there was a
>grinding pattern. About 3-4 mm wide, about 1 mm deep and 'snaking' in
>shape, with rounded ends. Looked like it was made by an angle grinder, on
>close observation. Didn't bing my digital camera or I'd have photographed
>it.
>
>Actually, besides the damage to the brake back plate, there was no evidence
>of my prolonged use with a bad wheel bearing.
>
>Tom
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:01:27 +0100
>To: quattro at audifans.com
>From: Tom Nas <tnas at euronet.nl>
>Subject: Re: Recaro SE in Oak Harbor, Washington !
>Cc: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
>
>Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
>
> >"Doug Johnson" <ur-quattro at msn.com> wrote:
> > >I'll be in Kent for Christmas.
> >
> >I'm not sure I like where this is going...
>
>Hahahahahahaha!
>
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>Message: 5
>From: "Bob Rossato" <bob.rossato at att.net>
>To: "Mihnea Cotet" <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>,
> "George Kotjarapgolus" <gkot at adelphia.net>,
> "Quattro Digest" <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: RE: Strut stop bushings for A6 Bilstein shocks
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:17:11 -0500
>
>Yes, the bilstein front struts have an integrated bump stop so you do not
>reuse the factory one. The bilstein strut is designed to be upside down,
>which is why the shaft is a much larger diameter, and the bump stop is
>built
>into the bottom of the strut cartridge. With the regard to the dust boot,
>you just use the original factory piece. The dust boot picks up on the
>outer diameter of the top spring plate and therefore is not affected by the
>piston diameter. This is the case on the C4 chassis. You didn't mention
>if
>this was a C4 or C5 based A6, but I'm assuming the same would be the case
>on
>the C5. Double check to be sure. And don't bother with the aftermarket
>dust boots that the different vendors sell. Just get it at the dealer.
>They're around $12 each. I found the aftermarket ones don't fit very well
>on the bottom clip and keep coming off the retainer.
>
>Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mihnea Cotet
> > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:03 AM
> > To: George Kotjarapgolus; Quattro Digest
> > Subject: Re: Strut stop bushings for A6 Bilstein shocks
> >
> >
> > George,
> >
> > If the Bilsteins have a bigger shaft than the stock shocks (i.e. they
>are
> > of the Sprint variety or maybe it's called differently in the US?) you
> > don't need any bump stops or stock dust boots. The bump stops are
> > integrated in the strut cartridge and you have to use the
> > Bilstein-supplied
> > dust boots.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Mihnea
> >
> > At 10:30 21/12/2002 -0500, George Kotjarapgolus wrote:
> >
> > >My mechanic was installing the new Bilstein strut inserts and
> > just called me
> > >to say the shaft on the new Bilsteins is larger than the hole on the
>old
> > >rubber strut stop. I tried calling APS but they are closed.
> > One would not
> > >think we are to discard them, but APS never said anything about needing
> > >special stops. In fact, I had bought 2 new ones only to find
> > out they will
> > >not work with the Bilstein. Does anyone have any wisdom here. I
>recall
> > >some earlier saying they had a problem installing the Bilstein but do
>not
> > >recall their resolution.
> > >
> > >Do anyone have any thoughts her. Bilstein tech department does not
>open
> > >until Monday
> > >
> > >George Kotjarapoglus gkot at adelphia.net
> >
> >
>
>
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>Message: 6
>From: JShadzi at aol.com
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:28:22 EST
>Subject: Re: step1:exhaust r&r complete
>To: scott at dreamtheater.zzn.com, quattro at audifans.com
>
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><<I'm still out on wether to use loctite blue or red, or nothing on the
>studs. The reason why I'm doing this job is because one stud kept
>backing out (even though I had a broken one). It wasn't the nut, but
>the stud. Chances are, I'll go without.>>
>
>Scott, I use Blue on the studs only, the studs are buried in the cyl head,
>it
>will not get too hot to burn off loctite blue or red, red's a little
>aggressive and those studs are finicky the way it is. I use blue as
>standard
>and it prevents all backing out problems that are very common with these
>cars. Going without will mean you may find missing studs ocassionally as
>the
>do get loose. The other good measure is to use NEW locking nuts as they
>are
>more secure than reused nuts. Any locking compound on the nut will burn
>off,
>its useless there.
>
>
> > <<Next, I'm not so worried about the entire job as I am about
> > reinstalling the assembly myself. That thing is heavy! >>
>
>You should find a helper to help lift it, don't try doing your self, one
>false move and you could have a nice gouge in the bottom of your head.
>
><<> my timing belt along with the job. I have a breaker bar and pipe and
> > I'm going to go the monkey lad route and leave it in gear with the
> > brakes applied or use the starter. >>
>
>A bolt fits nicely in a drivers side tranny hole that engages the flywheel,
>a
>much better method IMO, lemme know if you have any questions.
>
>Javad
>
> >
> >
>
>
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>Message: 7
>From: Fourkguy at aol.com
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:44:30 EST
>Subject: Bentley CD for 91 80 - Owner's Manual too?
>To: Quattro at audifans.com
>
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>Anyone got these things??
>
>TIA,
>
>Jeff
>
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>Message: 8
>Subject: 4kq e-brake adjust?
>From: George Nimmer <george164 at earthlink.net>
>To: quattro at audifans.com
>Organization:
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 13:07:43 -0500
>
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>I need to adjust the e-brake on an '84 4kq for it to pass state
>inspection. The handle pulls waaaay up high (but works fine).
>
>I checked out the brief section in the Bentley manual and then went
>under the car to have a look. The adjusting bolt is rather rusty, but
>more importantly, how do you get to it with the exhaust and drive shaft
>in the way? Looks to me like I'd need to drop the drive shaft to even
>get my hands on the adjusting bolt... Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>George
>'84 and '85 4kq's
>
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>Message: 9
>From: "Jukka Majanen" <jiipm at sci.fi>
>To: "quattro" <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: Xmas :)
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:30:39 +0200
>
>Hi All
>
>I have been only a little in this forum this year, because of my job and
>some other sakes ( been getting digest and reading posts, but not all ).
>
>Just wanted to wish You all audi-people Merry Christmas.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/audifinns/files/hupia%20yms/joulu.JPG
>
>Oh, it is in Finnish ( I did draw it for our local list yesterday :).
>
>Translation is:
>The title: Merry Xmas to the ring- ( audi ) people.
>The question: Need some pull assistance?
>
>Yours
>j-pm
>( Jukka Majanen )
>
>
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>Message: 10
>From: "Brady Moffatt" <bradym at sympatico.ca>
>To: <Kwattro at aol.com>
>Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: Re: Eibach springs on 4kq?
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:06:10 -0500
>
>Hi All/Carter,
>
>Oops, I saw 1986 Audi 4000 ProKit and assumed it would include q's.
>Obviously not! But they still show up for Urqs at Tire Rack, on special
>order. Go figure...
>
>Cheers,
>Brady
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Kwattro at aol.com>
>
>
><snip>
>
>The pro kit isn't available anymore, though...
> >
> > Carter
>
>
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>Message: 11
>From: "Dave Glubrecht" <daveglu at hotmail.com>
>To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: NG-NF shortblock differences?
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:21:27 -0800
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>Are there any differences between the shortblocks on the NG vs. the NF.
>I need a NG and I have a NG head to put on a NF block that is available.
>I am fairly certain that they are the same, but would like to verify.
> Dave G
>
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>
>Message: 12
>From: "Ray Rollins" <rollins_ray at hotmail.com>
>To: george164 at earthlink.net, quattro at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: 4kq e-brake adjust?
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:22:46 -0500
>
>Geroge,
>I have this exact problem on my 90 100Q. The best response I got from the
>list was to remove the parking brake handle. Disconnect the cables from the
>adjuster then you can remove the handle by removing a pin at the pivot
>point. Then take out the handle clean the threads and adjust it to the
>correct lenght. I also bought a 6" 1/4 drive flexible extension to do final
>adjustments. I will try it over the holliday.
>
>Good luck,
>Ray
>
>
>
> >From: George Nimmer <george164 at earthlink.net>
> >To: quattro at audifans.com
> >Subject: 4kq e-brake adjust?
> >Date: 21 Dec 2002 13:07:43 -0500
> >
> >--
> >--
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> >I need to adjust the e-brake on an '84 4kq for it to pass state
> >inspection. The handle pulls waaaay up high (but works fine).
> >
> >I checked out the brief section in the Bentley manual and then went
> >under the car to have a look. The adjusting bolt is rather rusty, but
> >more importantly, how do you get to it with the exhaust and drive shaft
> >in the way? Looks to me like I'd need to drop the drive shaft to even
> >get my hands on the adjusting bolt... Any thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >George
> >'84 and '85 4kq's
> >
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>Message: 13
>Reply-To: <sutul at telusplanet.net>
>From: "Dr. Ian McArthur" <sutul at telusplanet.net>
>To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: Olympic 1988 5TQ Sequel
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:44:24 -0700
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>A merry Christmas sequel to my previous post regarding the 1988 Calgary
>Winter Olympics special edition 5000 Quattros:
>
>1. For those of you who requested pictures of the cars, let me know if you
>still want them and I will email them to you privately.
>
>2. I now have TWO Olympic sedans!!! This morning we went to visit our
>neighbors for Christmas drinks and I discovered (in their wonderful 40' x
>60' shop) ANOTHER red Olympic sedan. My wife found it a couple of weeks
>ago
>and bought it for me for Christmas. I thought I was getting more socks.
>Everyone in the neighborhood except me knew the car was parked there for
>the
>last couple of weeks. Nice present, eh (as we say in Canada).
>
>3. Since I bought my wife a ice new digital camera for Christmas, we have a
>bunch of nice new photos of the cars. This makes four 5TQs. I have the
>two
>Olympic sedans, my cousin has the Olympic Avant, and we have another Avant
>parts car (not an Olympic version, but beggars can't be choosers).
>
>4. If any of you want a few pictures, let me know.
>
>Hey, this is a very merry Christmas in Alberta Quattro country. The only
>problem is we don't have any snow, so I can't show off the three cars in a
>blizzard.
>************************************************
>Dr. Ian McArthur, Consulting by Acronym, Cochrane, Alberta
>sutul at telusplanet.net
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>Message: 14
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:51:27 -0500
>From: Huw Powell <human747 at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: human747 at attbi.com
>Organization: HUMAN Speakers
>To: George Kotjarapgolus <gkot at adelphia.net>
>Cc: Quattro Digest <quattro at audifans.com>
>Subject: Re: Strut stop bushings for A6 Bilstein shocks
>
>
>
> > My mechanic was installing the new Bilstein strut inserts and just
>called me
> > to say the shaft on the new Bilsteins is larger than the hole on the old
> > rubber strut stop.
>
>I don't know what your application is here, and I am far from an expert
>on Bilsteins, but the ones in my 90 don't seem to use bump stops. Just
>a nice pretty blue dust cover that was supplied with them.
>
>--
>Huw Powell
>
>http://www.humanspeakers.com/
>
>http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
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>Message: 15
>Subject: Re: 4kq e-brake adjust?
>From: George Nimmer <george164 at earthlink.net>
>To: George Butler <gwbutler at net1plus.com>
>Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>Organization:
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 14:58:27 -0500
>
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>George,
>
>Yes, I'll be replacing the rotors, pads, and lines (front and rear)
>next. Unless someone replies to this and tells me not to - I'll be
>using OEM lines, the slotted ATE power discs and ATE pads. Are the PBR
>metalmaster pads appropriate for a daily driver? Any reason NOT to use
>the orbital-slotted power discs?
>
>I had a look at the web page for this Motive power bleeder thingie...
>looks simple and easy to use, and the price is great compared to some of
>the other pressure bleeder's I've seen. I think I'll tell the GF that
>Santa should put one under the tree ;-)
>
>Regards,
>George
>
>On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 13:56, George Butler wrote:
>
> > Hi George,
> >
> > I just replaced all of the e-brake components outside of the passenger
> > compartment on my 84 4ksq not more than two months ago. All you really
>have
> > to do is (for convenience, is to drop the intermediate muffler (between
>the
> > cat and rear muffler). Beyond that you shouldn't have a problem. Let
>me
> > know if you need additional information. BTW, if you're remotely
>interested
> > in bleeding the brake lines after doing your other work, suggest to your
> > wife or significant other that the job would go much easier with a
>Motive
> > pressure bleeder and that Christmas is coming. I bought one of these
>units
> > a few months back and will never use anything else...job was a breeze.
>Good
> > luck!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > George B.
> > Massachusetts
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Nimmer" <george164 at earthlink.net>
> > To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:07 PM
> > Subject: 4kq e-brake adjust?
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > I need to adjust the e-brake on an '84 4kq for it to pass state
> > > inspection. The handle pulls waaaay up high (but works fine).
> > >
> > > I checked out the brief section in the Bentley manual and then went
> > > under the car to have a look. The adjusting bolt is rather rusty, but
> > > more importantly, how do you get to it with the exhaust and drive
>shaft
> > > in the way? Looks to me like I'd need to drop the drive shaft to even
> > > get my hands on the adjusting bolt... Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > George
> > > '84 and '85 4kq's
> > >
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>Message: 16
>From: "Jim Haseltine" <Jim at Ur-q.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Brady Moffatt" <bradym at sympatico.ca>, <quattro at audifans.com>,
> "Tom Nas" <tnas at euronet.nl>
>Subject: Re: Strange badge engineering
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:47:54 -0000
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Nas" <tnas at euronet.nl>
> >
> > A 'little' more macho- at a German car show I saw a tuned Opel Astra in
>the
> > parking lot, with the emblems reading 'Opel Viagra'. Very creative
> > cut-and-shut with Vectra and Tigra?
>
>Considering the oft-repeated reason for men owning powerful cars, this
>might
>be apt.......
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Jim Haseltine
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 17
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:20:14 -0500
>From: Huw Powell <human747 at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: human747 at attbi.com
>Organization: HUMAN Speakers
>To: Jim Haseltine <Jim at Ur-q.freeserve.co.uk>
>Cc: Brady Moffatt <bradym at sympatico.ca>, quattro at audifans.com,
> Tom Nas <tnas at euronet.nl>
>Subject: Re: Strange badge engineering
>
>
> > Friend of mine used to run an old Escort Van with the lettering
>rearranged
> > to read 'C O R S E T'.
> > And two weeks ago I was in the daily traffic jam behind a crappy old
>Opel
> > Corsa TR (the sedan kind) with the badges cut and shut to read 'OPA'
> > (grandpa)- very appropriate for the vehicle.
>
>Reminds me of my old Nissan truck, on which I had, um, rearranged all
>the logos, including the big stamping on the tailgate, to read "HUMAN"
>
> > > A 'little' more macho- at a German car show I saw a tuned Opel Astra
>in
> > the
> > > parking lot, with the emblems reading 'Opel Viagra'. Very creative
> > > cut-and-shut with Vectra and Tigra?
> >
> > Considering the oft-repeated reason for men owning powerful cars, this
>might
> > be apt.......
>
>So is the reason I'm content with my normally aspirated 101 hp coupe and
>130 hp 90Q just a matter of coming to terms with it?
>
>--
>Huw Powell
>
>http://www.humanspeakers.com/
>
>http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
>
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