quattro digest, Vol 1 #2755 - 19 msgs

[John Larson]

I just went out and looked at the 3 teeners here at the shop, and one 911,
and all have a metal socket for the high beam indicator.  All, BTW, are 74
or older.  John
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>    1. *CRUNCH* (Festively Jolly)
>    2. RE:SF Gate: Freak fire traps man inside Audi/Battery failure
>        a p ossible cause (Aleksander Mierzwa)
>    3. RE:Charlie Springs?? (Swann, Benjamin R.  (BSWANN))
>    4. Freak fire traps man inside Audi (JanDebL at aol.com)
>    5. Unintended Electrification: was Freak fire traps man inside Audi
(JanDebL at aol.com)
>    6. help, door won't open (pasquale pilato)
>    7. Re:5000 Radiator Overflow Tube Broken (Ameer Antar)
>    8. ETKA irritation (ccohen5)
>    9. Re:quattro digest, Vol 1 #2752 - 13 msgs (Steve Sears)
>   10. Re:High mileage 5k/200t 10v question (james accordino)
>   11. 2.2 an interference motor? (Simplstupd at aol.com)
>   12. Re:troubleshooting a New Beetle info (NAC) (Simplstupd at aol.com)
>   13. RE:[V8] recall et.al. (Buchholz, Steven)
>   14. Re:new outer cv joint (Simplstupd at aol.com)
>   15. door locks (Dave Pisciotta)
>   16. Re:High mileage 5k/200t 10v question (JShadzi at aol.com)
>   17. Re:AUDIophiles (Doug Hill)
>   18. Re:High mileage 5k/200t 10v question (Mihnea Cotet)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: Audi_Audio at webtv.net (Festively Jolly)
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:21:12 -0600 (CST)
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject:  *CRUNCH*
>
> Hello list!  well the ol' 1988 Audi 90 FWD was making a
> grinding/crunching noise while throwing the shifter  into 3rd gear.  Now
> it is about every time, no matter if it is up/downshifting.
>  is it a bad tranny? sincro?
> i just changed my gear oil with the gl5 from Blau and it didnt help a
> single bit.
>
> any help please?
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:56:43 +0100
> To: "Mark L. Chang" <mchang at ee.washington.edu>,
>         "Darringer, Chris" <Chris.Darringer at schwab.com>
> From: Aleksander Mierzwa <alexaudi at kki.net.pl>
> Subject: RE: SF Gate: Freak fire traps man inside Audi/Battery failure
>   a p ossible cause
> Cc: "'quattro at audifans.com'" <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> At 13:05 02-01-14 -0800, Mark L. Chang wrote:
>
> >I know on later BMWs the doors could be "double-locked". Turn the key to
> >lock and it locks all doors. Turn it further yet and it "really" locks
all
> >the doors, so that the plungers cannot be moved at all.
> [...]
> >Not believing this, I had a friend lock me in his mum's 318i (1998). Same
> >deal. Straaange feature.
>
> This feature is called "deadlock" and is meant to be an anti-theft
measure.
> You can't play the coat hanger trick on such car.
>
> --
> Aleksander Mierzwa
> Warsaw, Poland
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Swann, Benjamin R.  (BSWANN)" <BSWANN at arinc.com>
> To: "'Tony Lum'" <tlum at flash.net>,
>         "Swann, Benjamin R.  (BSWANN)"
> <BSWANN at arinc.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: Charlie Springs??
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:25:26 -0500
>
> Good to know, but I plan to disable the hot-wired fuel pump, and correctly
> install Q-chip.  It's a no brainer, just need the time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Lum [mailto:tlum at flash.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:21 PM
> To: Swann, Benjamin R. (BSWANN)
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Charlie Springs??
>
>
> At 02:37 PM 1/14/02 , you wrote:
>
>
>  [ I have them, per agreement with Charlie.  Of course Charlie has them
too,
> or
> did recently.
>
> They are rated at 1.7 Bar(conservatively) and can be easily shimmed for
> more.  I have one installed in 1 of 2 '87 5000CS Turbo Quattro Wagons.
This
> has the fuel pump wired on with Ignition (not recommended) as that is the
> way the car came.  This car easily aquires 1.8 Bar.  the car pulls quite
> well, but I note some surging and flat spots in acceleration and
> driveability, nothing major, but I've become spoiled by the setup I have
in
> my other wagon which uses QLCC chip, 2 Bar Spring, and some other combined
> mods.
>
> Use of the QLCC chip with this spring is a bit more controlled, as the
> timing maps are appropriate for the amount of boost as provided by the
> spring and assisted.
>
> Ben
> '87 5000 cstq Avant - charcoal with charlie spring and Eurolights.
> '87 5000 cstq Avant - pearl with QLCC chip, 2 Bar SJM spring, shrapnel
knob
> + resistor mod. set for just over 2 Bar.
>  <<snip>>
> http://www.homestead.com/Ben_Swann/myaudi.html
> <http://www.homestead.com/Ben_Swann/myaudi.html>
>
> [Are "Charlie" springs still round & about or available from anyone?
> Does anyone have a description of the physical dimensions &/or the
estimated
> installed boost threshold the Charlie spring provided over the stock?
> ]..SNIP>>
>
>  Ben,
>
> If you see any old '80-'83 5000 turbos in the wrecking yard, there's a
> pressure switch attached to the plumbing that opens at 1.8 bar.  Gives you
a
> bit more safety than a hot wired fuel pump.
>
> Regards,
> - Tony
>  lots of I-5 Audis ]
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: JanDebL at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:43:48 EST
> Subject: Freak fire traps man inside Audi
> To: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> The man was reported as being trapped inside "a late model Audi."
>
> If it had to happen, why couldn't it have been a new S 8, Allroad or TT so
we
> could all get the "60 minute discount" next month?
>
> Jan Lahtonen ( no flames please)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: JanDebL at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:46:30 EST
> Subject: Unintended Electrification: was Freak fire traps man inside Audi
> To: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Before anyone starts to panic because of this incident ( the liberal, fear
> mongering media for example ) it would be interesting to know who
maintained
> the mechanical / electrical condition of this particular car.   Like other
> listers, I'll bet this car had the wrong battery or an incorrectly
installed
> battery.
> Regarding the inability for the driver to escape, I'll bet it was super
panic
> mode time.
> For example, my friends wife actually pulled in an automatic carwash with
the
> drivers window down.  The flashing sign told her to SHUT OFF ENGINE.  She
did
> and then couldn't close the power window.  You guessed it - the first
spray
> bar blew the glasses off her face, followed by an interior of soap suds
> followed by another high pressure rinse.  ( I don't think she opted for
the
> wax )  My point is many normal people seem to completely loose any sense
of
> survival skills in critical situations.
> Searching for my Nomex driving suit, Jan Lahtonen
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:26:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: pasquale pilato <pasqualep99 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: help, door won't open
> To: quattro at audifans.com
>
> good day group,
> my girlfriend was using my car and she hit the pass.
> side door.  I don't have the details but what I do
> know is the door won't open unless you yank, or push
> hard.  To make matters worse when she was showing me
> how hard you need to push from the inside she whipped
> open the door on a fire hydrant.  So any help on how
> to get the door to line up would be great.  I tried to
> loosen the 2 19mm bolts on the door hinge but they
> won't budge and I want to make sure before I go
> un-torque my wonderfull audi (I'm looking at bently
> now).  thanks and feel free to include a girlfriend
> joke, I might use it.
>
> ptp
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Ameer Antar" <ameer at snet.net>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re:5000 Radiator Overflow Tube Broken
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:50:12 -0500
>
> Ya, audi cooling systems are way different than american radiators....but
I
> would NOT even attempt running w/o the line to the overflow box. The
reason
> is b/c w/o it you have no radiator cap. in american cars, the radiator cap
> is on the radiator itself, but on the type44 it's remote. Caps are the
only
> thing that really can regulate pressure in the system and prevent too much
> pressure. You need to limit the pressure, but it also needs to be a
certain
> amount, b/c w/ more pressure, more heat gets transferred from the
block/head
> to the coolant. W/ the overflow tube closed, you may run into a problem of
> too much pressure, unless you leave the top 1/4 of the radiator tank
empty,
> since coolant expands a great deal under higher temp. In the old days, eg.
> on my '65 MGB, they just had an overflow tube that dumped on the ground,
but
> that's really bad for the environment and can kill pets. But even w/ their
> design, the radiator cap was still in the system before the overflow tube,
> so that cap controlled what goes to the ground. By leaving out the
overflow
> box, that's all gone....I think the best in this case is just a repair or
if
> you have some good epoxy, I bet you could drill a fitting into the endtank
> seal w/ the epoxy. Don't know if PVC pipe would handle up to 250 deg., but
> obviously aluminum, brass, copper will all work as fittings. good luck.
>
> -ameer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:18:22 -0800
> > To: quattro at audifans.com
> > From: Brian Devlin <bdevlin at stanford.edu>
> > Subject: Re: 5000 Radiator Overflow Tube Broken
> >
> > That's not an overflow tube in the way an American car would have
> > one. It really lets bubbles get out of the radiator and into the
> > tank. It is pressurized along with the rest of the system, so you
> > lose some boilover protection by having it disconnected. Plug both
> > ends and it should cool just fine. But you will want to use the plug
> > in the radiator as a purge valve next time you refill the system.
> > -Brian
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I broke the overflow return on the radiator end.
> > >I've plugged the hole with a machine screw.  Has
> > >anyone
> > >had experience with this blocked?  Are there
> > >overheating problems?
> > >
> > >Any recommendations/BTDT for fixing.  Has anyone
> > >drilled the tube out the radiator and epoxied in a
> > >tube?
> > >
> > >thanks,
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 8
> Reply-To: "ccohen5" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
> From: "ccohen5" <ccohen5 at compuserve.com>
> To: "Phil Payne" <quattro at isham-research.com>, "qlist"
<quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: ETKA irritation
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:39:00 -0700
>
> One has to realize that the material for our cars were created sometime
> before digital design was available to any but Dassault.  Even GE was
unable
> to offer digital images of parts on appliances until this year.  And its
> sporadic at that.
>
> I think we are fortunate that we have been able to get hold of these
pirated
> copies.  Based on the cases being argued before our the US courts, it is
> conceivable that car part imports will be restricted if the factories get
> their way.  The Washington Post headlined a couple of weeks ago how
Ferrari
> was supporting our DOT and EPA in holding up approval for grey market
> imports.  Next will be a policing of VINs to prevent these cars getting
> parts.
>
> Now when Clinton had his Mustang, we might have ducked this, who knows now
> when a Texas Sub Division is considered the epitome of 4 wheel transport.
> It does have 4 driven wheels though just like an Audi...(requisite Audi
> stuff).
>
> C.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Reply-To: "Steve Sears" <steve.sears at SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca>
> From: "Steve Sears" <steve.sears at soil-mat.on.ca>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: <one at humanspeakers.com>
> Subject: Re: quattro digest, Vol 1 #2752 - 13 msgs
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:02:34 -0500
>
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:01:55 -0500
> > From: Huw Powell <audi at mediaone.net>
> > Reply-To: one at humanspeakers.com
> > Organization: HUMAN Speakers
> > To: quattro at audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Leather Upholstery Maintenance
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, the 200 seat heaters in the rear are keyed to some
> > > sort of spring that activates the heater when someone actually sits
> > > on the seat.
> > >
> > > I'm not sitting on a seat slathered with Hide Food- yuck.
> >
> > that's half the fun... anything good for the leather is probably good
> > for your skin, too!
> >
> Geez, Huw, wasn't it you that was watching that porn movie recently
looking
> for Audis ("there it is....there it is....there it is.....") - now you're
> talking about using Hide Food on your butt - what is happening to this
> list?????;-)
> On this thread, I forget who used "Food Hide" as the name - isn't that
what
> somebody does who is cheating on a diet instead of a leather conditioner?
> Oh mercy,  this thread is killing me......
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 5kTQ - leather seats, but there's no way I'm going to buy a set of
> butt-less chaps too....
> 1980 5k - mouse fur seats
> '62 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - mouse fur seats - really, if
you
> sit on them while they're chewing the cloth.....
> [SPAM Blocker Note: Remove SHOES to reply]
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:41:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: High mileage 5k/200t 10v question
> To: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
> Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> Mine still had all the original crosshatching on the
> cylinders and only very slight wear/polishing of the
> piston side skirts perpendicular to the piston pins.
> No "ridge" on top of cylinder either.  I remember
> posting if this is normal or if someone rebuilt my
> engine.  This is definitely not my normal experience
> with either American or Japanese engines.  They
> usually show much more wear.
>
> Jim Accordino
>
> --- Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > I've found a cheap engine for my turbo project (I
> > already have an MC-1
> > bottom-end but I'd like to have more compression so
> > this is why I've looked
> > for another alternative), this is a 1B engine
> > (similar to the MB engine
> > from the late 10v urq's, it has 8.6:1 CR) and it has
> > a little less than
> > 200k miles.
> > I'd like to ask the ones that have already stripped
> > such a high-mileage
> > 10vt engine what state I should expect the pistons
> > to be in....the engine
> > is said to loose/use no oil at all and supposedly
> > runs well....the owner
> > bought the car for parts and is willing to let me
> > have everything I want
> > from the car (complete engine, harness, sensors,
> > etc...) for a timing
> > belt/water pump swap on his '89 200tq (it's an
> > european car and it's a 10v
> > model)...
> > Any BTDTs on high-mileage engines? Do the pistons
> > wear in 200k miles or
> > only the bores/rings? Can they be worn out if the
> > engine uses no oil at all?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> > Regards from Belgium,
> >
> >
> > Mihnea
> >
>
>
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> Message: 11
> From: Simplstupd at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:18:44 EST
> Subject: 2.2 an interference motor?
> To: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I want to make sure of this....is the 2.2 in my '82 an interference motor?
>
> Thank You
> Paul
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: Simplstupd at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:22:14 EST
> Subject: Re: troubleshooting a New Beetle info (NAC)
> To: frank at zk3.dec.com
> CC: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> If she can continue to drive the vehicle, the check engine light is not a
> huge problem.  she can drive with it on for years....trust me I have...
>
> Anyway even places like Autozone will check the codes for free on 96 and
> newer vehicles and help point you in the right direction.
>
> Good luck
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "Buchholz, Steven" <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
> To: "'qlist'" <quattro at audifans.com>, "'v8'" <v8 at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: [V8] recall et.al.
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:13:27 -0800
>
> While I am convinced that the bushing failure on the 5 cylinder turbo
cars'
> CC linkage poses a similar risk of jamming the throttle, the linkage on
the
> V8 is oriented differently, and AFAIK the only recall that was issued was
> for the V8 ...
>
> I don't think that recall is that big a deal anyway ... all that was done
> was to replace a $0.99 bushing ...
>
> Steve Buchholz
> San Jose, CA (USA)
> >
> > You missed your chance to have them done at the same time like I did.
> > Either your dealer is a jerk for not letting you know it
> > needed it, or it
> > was already done.  Or, you don't own a V8 and it didn't apply
> > to the 200 maybe?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > There's a cruise control recall? (Did the airbag one).
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: Simplstupd at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:26:00 EST
> Subject: Re: new outer cv joint
> To: gkot at adelphia.net
> CC: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I just checked on the web to verify....many parts stores will sell you the
> entire left or right axle assembly for $59.99 with exchange and usually a
> $60-$70 core.  Usually the warranty is lifetime...
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: "Dave Pisciotta" <dave_pisciotta at hotmail.com>
> To: audi20v at rennlist.org, quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: door locks
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:34:49
>
> WRT the door locks discussion thread, does anyone know exactly why Audi,
> MBZ, et al chose to operate their power door lock systems via vacuum.  It
> seems as thought the complexity and bulk of these systems could easily be
> alleviated with a simple solenoid operated system ala GM, etc.  Has anyone
> out there successfully converted to Solenoids?  Anyone want to speculate
on
> the pros/cons.  Just food for thought.
>
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> Message: 16
> From: JShadzi at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:21:24 EST
> Subject: Re: High mileage 5k/200t 10v question
> To: <ssgacc at yahoo.com>, <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> Quite standard in the Audi 5 cylinder IME.
> Javad
>
> > Mine still had all the original crosshatching on the
> > cylinders and only very slight wear/polishing of the
> > piston side skirts perpendicular to the piston pins.
> > No "ridge" on top of cylinder either.  I remember
> > posting if this is normal or if someone rebuilt my
> > engine.  This is definitely not my normal experience
> > with either American or Japanese engines.  They
> > usually show much more wear.
> >
> > Jim Accordino
> >
> > --- Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be> wrote:
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > > I've found a cheap engine for my turbo project (I
> > > already have an MC-1
> > > bottom-end but I'd like to have more compression so
> > > this is why I've looked
> > > for another alternative), this is a 1B engine
> > > (similar to the MB engine
> > > from the late 10v urq's, it has 8.6:1 CR) and it has
> > > a little less than
> > > 200k miles.
> > > I'd like to ask the ones that have already stripped
> > > such a high-mileage
> > > 10vt engine what state I should expect the pistons
> > > to be in....the engine
> > > is said to loose/use no oil at all and supposedly
> > > runs well....the owner
> > > bought the car for parts and is willing to let me
> > > have everything I want
> > > from the car (complete engine, harness, sensors,
> > > etc...) for a timing
> > > belt/water pump swap on his '89 200tq (it's an
> > > european car and it's a 10v
> > > model)...
> > > Any BTDTs on high-mileage engines? Do the pistons
> > > wear in 200k miles or
> > > only the bores/rings? Can they be worn out if the
> > > engine uses no oil at all?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards from Belgium,
> > >
> > >
> > > Mihnea
> > >
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 17
> From: "Doug Hill" <badoug at hotmail.com>
> To: brogers at terrix.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: AUDIophiles
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:23:18 +0000
>
> On my 4kq when the stock paper fronts blew there were two choices,
removing
> the whole dash assembly to replace them or go medieval with the dremel.
The
> chose the latter and it ended up working out so I could use the old
speaker
> plastic mounts as a mounting platform for my new speakers. On the 4000 the
> rears were cake. I would assume the 80q would be similar. Aftermarket
> speakers will sound better with an after market deck but will sound OK on
> the fact deck.
> HTH
> Doug Hill
> 87 4k cs quattro
> >
> >Hi listers-
> >I'm looking for some help regarding stereo upgrades for my sister's '91
> >80q.
> >She wants to keep a tape deck because she has so many, but also wants a
CD
> >player/changer.  She is not an audio-geek--she just wants something
better
> >than what she has, which is the factory deck with some blown speakers.
Are
> >the factory speakers good with a more powerful deck?  Any recommendations
> >on
> >a trunk mounted changer?  I assume she'll then need a new deck that is
> >compatible w/ the changer.  How much of a PITA is it to replace the front
> >speakers?  rear?  How many watts per channel is the factory deck?  Thanks
> >for any help.
> >
> >Brandon
> >'98 A4
> >'84 Urquattro
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:08 +0100
> To: JShadzi at aol.com, <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
> From: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
> Subject: Re: High mileage 5k/200t 10v question
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
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> At 13:21 15/01/2002 -0500, JShadzi at aol.com wrote:
> >Quite standard in the Audi 5 cylinder IME.
> >Javad
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> Thanks to both of you for your input! I hope the pistons will be in a good
> shape, so this way I'll have almost an MB engine, or a MC2+ :))
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> Mihnea
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