200 10V manifold questions

Mon Jul 8 03:17:27 EDT 2002

My 1990 200 TQAvant has busted exhaust manifold studs and is "blatty" when
applying throttle.
Now there is an oil leak from the front of the motor covering the alternator
with oil.

Since I need to open much of this up for fixing, is there a reasonable
source for the new two piece exhaust manifold for the 200 10V?  Or should I
look to "upgrade" the turbo (174K) and EM while I'm fixing the car?
-Scott in Boston

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   1. radiator flushing for v8 (Steve Kramer)
   2. Re:...stupid question (Brad Wilson)
   3. 90q shifter rebuild (WAUFX at aol.com)
   4. Re:...stupid question (Per Lindgren)
   5. !00% NAC!! Fwd: Re: ...stupid question (Chris Dyer)
   6. Re:proper a/c cold side reading (James at ringsperformance.com)
   7. Re:...stupid question (NAC) (Brett Dikeman)
   8. Re:[V8] radiator flushing for v8 (Steve Kramer)
   9. Fwd: Re: ...stupid question (NAC) (Chris Dyer)
  10. Will Sport Seats from a 90 fit an 80 ? (MetroNYaudi at aol.com)
  11. Re:Accident pics/contesting ticket (David Manz )
  12. Re:...stupid question (Kent McLean)
  13. Re:...stupid question (Douglas Frank)
  14. Happy at last (e2e)
  15. Re:Happy at last (Andrew Buc)
  16. Re:RS6 vs M5 (Jim Haseltine)
  17. Re:...stupid question (Jim Haseltine)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:01:39 -0500
Subject: radiator flushing for v8
From: Steve Kramer <skramer at mac.com>
To: <v8 at audifans.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>

In the last vestige of hope before buying the new radiator for my v8 - I
want to learn how to the flush the radiator.

The V8 has your typical all season anti-freeze in there.  Shellzone - green

I bought some antifreeze which is - supposedly top of the line . Dex-cool
(phosphate free) red in color

I've heard of other flush kits which bypass certain parts of the engine,
heater core.

I bought something called Prestone Super Flush and Super Flush Cleaner.
These are detergent flush cleaners.

The first one (super flush) I drain the system and then add this with water
and run the system for 10- 15 minutes - then drain.

The Super Flush Cleaner has me drain system - add this to a water mixture
with 2 bottles and run the system for 3 hours - then drain.

Has anyone had any experience with these products or am I going to do harm
to the Audi and should I just flush with water ?

Thanks as always

Steve Kramer
1990 V8q

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:06:49 -0600
From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy at pobox.com>
To: Audi Quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question
Organization: Your Name Here

Brett Dikeman wrote:

> For bonus points, which direction is Stage Left, folks?

Stage left/right is audience orientation, so stage left is the actor's right
(if they're facing the audience).

> For -extra- bonus points, which direction is upstage, -and- why...ie,
> what's the meaning/origin behind the word?(and hence the origin of
> the alternate use of "upstage")

Up-stage is farther from the audience, and down-stage is closer. The reason
is that old theaters built their stages on an angle so the audience could
better see what was going on all around the stage.

Best regards,
Brad

2000 A6 2.7 biturbo quattro   http://www.quality.nu/bradw/audi/
2 turbos, 1 driver ... no limits

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Message: 3
From: WAUFX at aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:06:52 EDT
Subject: 90q shifter rebuild
To: quattro at audifans.com

Hello-

I am trying to rebuild the shifter in my 1990 90q so it doesn't pop out upon
a hard shift into second gear. : )

I went to the dealer to buy the rubber bushing, the one that is hanging off
of the white ball in the pictures at www.uvm.edu/~mkbigelo/shifter4.jpg and
www.uvm.edu/~mkbigelo/shifter5.jpg. The bushing is supposed to hold the
shifter in place but, in my case, just flops around. It is $70 at the
dealer!

My question is, is this thing made aftermarket? Or will it be $70 from the
dealer to fix this? Also, any tips on rebuilding the shifter? Any BTDTs?

Thanks!

Megan

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:46:49 +0200
From: Per Lindgren <lindgre at online.no>
To: Andrew Buc <abuc at attglobal.net>
Cc: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question

Andrew Buc wrote:

>** Reply to message from mike <mikemk40 at yahoo.com> on Sat, 29 Jun 2002
10:52:14
>+0100 (BST)
>
>>Maybe we should change to to something non country
>>specific...like errr....air filter side and radiator
>>side
>>
>
>This one for any Brits out there: what are nearside and offside?
>
I'm not a Briton, but I believe nearside is the same as starboard or right.

PerL
87 Cq

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Message: 5
From: "Chris Dyer" <chrisdyer at hotmail.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: !00% NAC!! Fwd: Re: ...stupid question
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:10:37 +0000

Yup. Stage direction is always for the benefit of the actor (upstage in
back, downstage in front, stage left is audience's right, etc.).

>From: Per Lindgren <lindgre at online.no>
>To: Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net>
>CC: quattro at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: ...stupid question
>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:36:43 +0200
>
>
>
>Brett Dikeman wrote:
>
>>>
>>>as Brett would say, Stage Left & Right?
>>
>>
>>Ah yes, but it is amazing how many people get Stage Left/Stage Right
>>wrong :-)
>>
>>For bonus points, which direction is Stage Left, folks?
>
>I remember the old cartoon caracter Snagglepuss (A pink mountain cat)
>always screamed "Exit stage left" and flew out to the right side of the
>screen. Of course, it was his left, but the viewer's right.
>
>PerL
>87 Cq
>
>

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Message: 6
From: <James at ringsperformance.com>
To: "scott thomas" <scott at dreamtheater.zzn.com>,
	<quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: proper a/c cold side reading
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:25:22 -0600

This is one detail I left off my recent 134-upgrade post. At 72 dF, I got
best performance with 215 high, 31 low. NOTE: I am not using a fixed
orifice, but a heavy-duty variable-orifice valve (HD VOV) from acsource.com.
YMMV.

cu, James Marriott
'84 4kq beater, 217k, for sale (BUY IT!)
'87 4kq (alias "late-B2 90q") with rare ersatz NG engine, 184k
'89 200q (MC1, ProconTen/no bag, 1.8 blah blah), 142k
Boise, ID, USA     http://www.webpak.net/~marriott/
www.ringsperformance.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "scott thomas" <scott at dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: proper a/c cold side reading

> I was curious to know what some listers are
> running as far as the pressure on their
> 5000/100/200 a/c units. I mean the reading from
> the cold (low pressure) side. I've recharged
> with 44 oz's of 134 and see pressures of about
> 25-30 psi. Wanted to get it to 40-45, which is
> supposed to be the high normal. My outlet temps
> do fluctuate. I go from the upper 60's in a
> standstill in 95 degree, high humidity. Once
> moving, I get down to 45-49, generally the
> higher number.  I was thinking about another 6-8
> oz's should do the trick, but wanted advice,
> first.

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:12:58 -0400
To: Robert Myers <robert at s-cars.org>
From: Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question (NAC)
Cc: quattro at audifans.com

At 3:03 AM -0400 6/29/02, Robert Myers wrote:
>At 01:06 AM 6/29/02, you wrote:
>>Ah yes, but it is amazing how many people get Stage Left/Stage
>>Right wrong :-)
>>
>>For bonus points, which direction is Stage Left, folks?
>
>The audience's left or the actor's right when the actor is facing
>the audience.

Stage Left/Right are relative to an actor, facing the audience.
HOUSE left/right is relative to an audience member facing the stage.
"Exit stage left" would be off to the right for the audience.

All of this becomes moot when you're doing theater in the
round...round stage, audience -all- around you :-)  It is a nightmare
for almost everyone involved, but when done well, very neat for the
audience.

>
>>For -extra- bonus points, which direction is upstage,
>
>Closer to the audience.

Nope!

>
>>-and- why...ie,
>>what's the meaning/origin behind the word?(and hence the origin of
>>the alternate use of "upstage")
>
>Don't upstage me = don't get between me and the audience (so as to
>obscure their view of me, the star).

This is what everyone thinks :-)

   Upstage = towards the back of the stage, away from the audience.
The terms upstage/downstage as directions originated from when stages
were sloped; the back of the stage was sloped up to allow the
audience a better view of things.  Some of the first "theaters" were
nothing more than hills.

The act of "upstaging" actually means that someone in back has stolen
the audience's attention from what's going on right in front of them;
presumably, the action right smack in front of the audience is more
important than what is going on way (up) in the back.  I suppose it
could also be interpreted as meaning that someone has jumped in front
of the main action, thus "moving" the main action upstage.

Not to say that nothing should ever go on behind the main scene...my
old high school director used to always stage side scenes, and I'd
light them darker than the main downstage scene, but still quite
visible to the audience.

>
>Now, what did I win?  :-)

The booby prize ;-)

Anyway, for some actual Audi content, I always try to refer to
driver's side/passenger side, rather than left/right; it is
particularly safe when talking about a 200q20v, which was never
offered RHD(hence its extreme rarity in the UK.)  I usually make note
of the sender's domain before giving such, and qualify the
directions("for us LHD folk").

Brett
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:35:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [V8] radiator flushing for v8
From: Steve Kramer <skramer at mac.com>
To: <CoultL at aol.com>, <v8 at audifans.com>, <quattro at audifans.com>

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How do I remove coolant from both sides of the block.  Wouldn't removing the
drain plug on the radiator drain everything - since it's at the lowest point
?

If I need to I could remove the upper and lower hoses - but this seems
messy.

Steve Kramer
1990 V8q

From: CoultL at aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:49:20 EDT
To: skramer at mac.com, v8 at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [V8] radiator flushing for v8

I used the same products but by Zertec....the other big brand.  They are
identical in directions for use and I bet are very similar in composition.
I did the 3 hour flush first then the 15 min flush.  My system works much
much better now.  After two weeks of hot weather I know its not my
imagination.  Remember to drain the both sides of the block when you do it.
Hope you have similar results.

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Message: 9
From: "Chris Dyer" <chrisdyer at hotmail.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: ...stupid question (NAC)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:39:09 +0000

Yes, unfortunately, I am an actor...would you like to start with drinks and
perhaps an appetizer?

Correct on upstaging. Though on an actual stage (and not on-camera)
upstaging is purposely standing farther upstage, forcing other actors on
stage to pivot their backs toward the audience, supposedly focusing
attention on the upstager.

This can backfire as it also allows the upstaged to make funny faces at the
upstager.

(...huh?!)

>From: Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net>
>To: Robert Myers <robert at s-cars.org>
>CC: quattro at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: ...stupid question (NAC)
>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:12:58 -0400
>
>At 3:03 AM -0400 6/29/02, Robert Myers wrote:
>>At 01:06 AM 6/29/02, you wrote:
>>>Ah yes, but it is amazing how many people get Stage Left/Stage
>>>Right wrong :-)
>>>
>>>For bonus points, which direction is Stage Left, folks?
>>
>>The audience's left or the actor's right when the actor is facing
>>the audience.
>
>
>Stage Left/Right are relative to an actor, facing the audience.
>HOUSE left/right is relative to an audience member facing the stage.
>"Exit stage left" would be off to the right for the audience.
>
>All of this becomes moot when you're doing theater in the
>round...round stage, audience -all- around you :-)  It is a nightmare
>for almost everyone involved, but when done well, very neat for the
>audience.
>
>
>>
>>>For -extra- bonus points, which direction is upstage,
>>
>>Closer to the audience.
>
>Nope!
>
>>
>>>-and- why...ie,
>>>what's the meaning/origin behind the word?(and hence the origin of
>>>the alternate use of "upstage")
>>
>>Don't upstage me = don't get between me and the audience (so as to
>>obscure their view of me, the star).
>
>This is what everyone thinks :-)
>
>   Upstage = towards the back of the stage, away from the audience.
>The terms upstage/downstage as directions originated from when stages
>were sloped; the back of the stage was sloped up to allow the
>audience a better view of things.  Some of the first "theaters" were
>nothing more than hills.
>
>The act of "upstaging" actually means that someone in back has stolen
>the audience's attention from what's going on right in front of them;
>presumably, the action right smack in front of the audience is more
>important than what is going on way (up) in the back.  I suppose it
>could also be interpreted as meaning that someone has jumped in front
>of the main action, thus "moving" the main action upstage.
>
>Not to say that nothing should ever go on behind the main scene...my
>old high school director used to always stage side scenes, and I'd
>light them darker than the main downstage scene, but still quite
>visible to the audience.
>
>>
>>Now, what did I win?  :-)
>
>The booby prize ;-)
>
>Anyway, for some actual Audi content, I always try to refer to
>driver's side/passenger side, rather than left/right; it is
>particularly safe when talking about a 200q20v, which was never
>offered RHD(hence its extreme rarity in the UK.)  I usually make note
>of the sender's domain before giving such, and qualify the
>directions("for us LHD folk").
>
>Brett
>--
>----
>"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary
>safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
>http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/
>http://www.apple.com/switch/

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Message: 10
From: MetroNYaudi at aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:29:12 EDT
Subject: Will Sport Seats from a 90 fit an 80 ?
To: quattro at audifans.com

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I am almost sure that the answer is yes, but I just wanted confirmation.

I just picked up an 80 Quattro, but I am not happy with the seats as
compared
to my 87 Coupe.  I have found a set of 90 Sport Seats (about 200 miles away)
and wanted to know if the sport seats will be a big improvement over the
standard ones.

Thank you.

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:37:47 -0700
From: "David Manz " <david at mountaindome.com>
Reply-To: <david at mountaindome.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Accident pics/contesting ticket

I strongly agree with Mark. "Your best chance will be to try and strike a d=
eal with the prosecutor
continue for dismissal or something that won't effect your insurance " It c=
annot hurt to ask the prosecutor what your options are. Be nice and hint th=
at you want to keep it off your insurance  (if you do) I did this for an 18=
 over the speed limit and It will not go on my record and I don't have to g=
o to court. I just cannot get another ticket for a year. But when you are y=
oung, I dont want my insurance to go even higher.  Good luck!

~David Manz
1990 90 20v

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:34:09 -0400
To: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question

  Per Lindgren wrote:
>Andrew Buc wrote:
>This one for any Brits out there: what are nearside and offside?
>I'm not a Briton, but I believe nearside is the same as starboard or right.

I'm a damn Yankee, but owning a '56 Austin-Healey 100,
I know (OK, I think I know) that "nearside" is the side
nearest the curb (kerb), and offside is the side furthest
from the curb, closest to the traffic. As such, it changes
from country to country.

But don't bet the rent on it.

Kent
'89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy"
'56 Austin-Healey 100 BN2, "pile of rust"

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:14:54 -0400
From: Douglas Frank <frank at zk3.dec.com>
Reply-To: frank at zk3.dec.com
To: quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question

Per Lindgren wrote:

>
>> This one for any Brits out there: what are nearside and offside?
>>
> I'm not a Briton, but I believe nearside is the same as starboard or
right.

I think y'all are turned around, Per. The near side is the port side of
the horse; offside is to starboard.

*Lots* of bonus points to whoever can explain, why do you mount from the
horse's left side?  (As if the horse knew left from right, or cared?!?)
--
Douglas Frank    Compaq Computer Corp.
ZKO              110 Spit Brook Rd.       The older I get,
603-884-0501     Nashua, NH USA 03062       the better I was.

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:26:36 +1200
Subject: Happy at last
From: e2e <sam at edgetoedge.co.nz>
To: quattro list <quattro at audifans.com>

Finally I am a fully fledged member of Team Door Handle. Go to get out
yesterday.... a reassuring "SNAP".... now I can go to my grave a happy man!
--
Sam Clarkson

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:39:08 -0700
To: e2e <sam at edgetoedge.co.nz>, quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
From: Andrew Buc <abuc at attglobal.net>
Reply-To: Andrew Buc <abuc at attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Happy at last

** Reply to message from e2e <sam at edgetoedge.co.nz> on Sun, 30 Jun 2002
08:26:36 +1200

> Finally I am a fully fledged member of Team Door Handle. Go to get out
> yesterday.... a reassuring "SNAP".... now I can go to my grave a happy
man!

Unlike high-school gym class, you <want> to be the last one chosen for this!

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Message: 16
From: "Jim Haseltine" <Jim at Ur-q.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <Dave.Eaton at clear.net.nz>, <quattro at audifans.com>
Cc: <nicksimc at plu.edu>, <msvphoto at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: RS6 vs M5
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:33:00 +0100

And the cars are actually built by a company called Fosstech in Earswick
near York. Fosstech is owned and run by David Thompson, ex-Porsche works
rally driver and father of the current BTTC driver James Thompson.

Regards,

Jim Haseltine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Eaton" <Dave.Eaton at clear.net.nz>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Cc: <nicksimc at plu.edu>; <msvphoto at pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: RE: RS6 vs M5

> in dtm the engine is mandated.
>
> dave
> '95 rs2
> '90 ur-q
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:49 -0700
> From: nicksimc <nicksimc at plu.edu>
> Subject: Re:[s-cars] RS6 vs M5
>
> >a supercharged NSX, an S4 competition, or a lot of luck these days. In
DTM
> >the Abt TT seems to be the class of the field now. In SPEED Touring BMW
is
>
> It should be pointed out, especially given the subject line, that the Abt
> TTs
> running in DTM have the new BMW V8 in them, not an Audi powerplant.
>
>

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Message: 17
From: "Jim Haseltine" <Jim at Ur-q.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <frank at zk3.dec.com>, "quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: ...stupid question
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:46:31 +0100

Near side is the side nearest the kerb, so in Britain it's the left side of
the car (which just happens to be the passenger side of my 88 Ur-q and my 84
CGT but is the driver's side of my 81 Ur-q 'cos it's LHD).

As I understand it, horses are mounted from the left by tradition in western
countries because originally the majority of people who rode horses wore
swords, being either soldiers or nobility. As swords are usually worn on the
left, mounting from the left is much easier.

Regards,

Jim Haseltine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Frank" <frank at zk3.dec.com>
To: "quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: ...stupid question

> Per Lindgren wrote:
>
> >
> >> This one for any Brits out there: what are nearside and offside?
> >>
> > I'm not a Briton, but I believe nearside is the same as starboard or
right.
>
> I think y'all are turned around, Per. The near side is the port side of
> the horse; offside is to starboard.
>
> *Lots* of bonus points to whoever can explain, why do you mount from the
> horse's left side?  (As if the horse knew left from right, or cared?!?)
> --
> Douglas Frank    Compaq Computer Corp.
> ZKO              110 Spit Brook Rd.       The older I get,
> 603-884-0501     Nashua, NH USA 03062       the better I was.
>
>

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