quattro digest, Vol 1 #3671 - 17 msgs
Bill Phelps
wphelps at rizzo.com
Mon Jul 15 16:33:28 EDT 2002
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> 1. RE:Help needed with sway bar bush P/N for 4kq (Timofej H. Crift)
> 2. Re:5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes (Doyt W. Echelberger)
> 3. Fuse # 15 bowing -- Please help (MJ Hedstrom)
> 4. VIN decoder? (David.Ullrich at ferguson.com)
> 5. RE:5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes (Bernard Littau)
> 6. Re:i need details on how to unsubscribe from this list (David Manz )
> 7. RE:5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes (Richard van der
> Hoff)
> 8. Re:Who Yields? (David Manz )
> 9. Re:i need details on how to unsubscribe from this list (Kneale
> Brownson)
> 10. Re:5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes (Ameer Antar)
> 11. CIS to EFI (Ameer Antar)
> 12. Re:CIS to EFI (Michael Gough)
> 13. High temperatures affecting brakes (Jim and Patsy Schurz)
> 14. Re:Who Yields? (Kent McLean)
> 15. RE:VIN decoder? (David.Ullrich at ferguson.com)
> 16. Audi Caravan (Jacob Behm)
> 17. need cheapest o2 sensor source (scott thomas)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Reply-To: <tcrift at criftassoc.com>
> From: "Timofej H. Crift" <timofej.crift at att.net>
> To: "Quattro at Audifans. Com" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: Help needed with sway bar bush P/N for 4kq
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:51:40 -0400
>
> I do not know if this has been resolved for everyone, but I just got these
> from the dealer for my '84CGT and the part number for the bushing with the
> flat surface on one side is 857 411 327 and available for $5.93ea. list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim Crift
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Bonnet
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:32 PM
> To: Jim Haseltine
> Cc: Jpinkowish at aol.com; audifans
> Subject: Re: Help needed with sway bar bush P/N for 4kq
>
> I have the same problem with the 84cgt... The bushings you speak of
> appear to be NLA? I sure cant find them.. I have a P# of 855 411 327 and
> a 22mm bar..
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim Haseltine wrote:
> > I think you need 857 411 327, although 811 411 327 B is listed for the
> 80q
> > (thought this was the same as the 4k?), Coupe quattro and post 85 Ur-q.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Jpinkowish at aol.com>
> > To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:21 PM
> > Subject: Help needed with sway bar bush P/N for 4kq
> >
> >>Hi folks,
> >>Went to replace the sway bar bushes that are in the clamps holding the
> bar
> > to the subframe. The bushes that came in the Blau kit are not the same
> as
> > the ones on the car. The Blau bushes don't have the flat section that
> goes
> >>against the flat mounting surface on the subframe. Instead of the flat
> >>mating surface, these have a curved section that looks to fit into a
> > recessed surface.
> >>
> >>P/N for the bushes supplied by Blau is 811 411 327B
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:50:49 -0400
> To: paanta at splatterfish.com
> From: "Doyt W. Echelberger" <Doyt at buckeye-express.com>
> Subject: Re: 5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> When my 87 5ktq acted that way, I replaced the oxygen sensor and the
> problems stopped. That was two years ago.
>
> Doyt Echelberger
> Ohio USA
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> At 07:10 AM 7/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >My 5KCSQ is still doing its weird thing:
> >
> >The car starts a little hard in the morning, but always starts with a
> >little extra gas. Once it starts it idles ok for a few seconds and then
> >the idle starts to get lower, and lower, and lower and you have to
> >heel-toe whenenver you put the clutch in and come to a stop to keep
> >the car alive. Once the car is warm, it'll idle OK if you don't let the
> >RPM's drop on their own. You can slowly bring the car down to idle
> >and it will idle fine...albeit a little rough. Before this weekend, if
> >the
> >car died, it would restart after a couple of seconds if you let it just
> >sit.
> >However, now, if the car DOES die, it is _extremely_ hard to get
> >restarted. At a bare minimum, you have to wait about two to four
> >minutes before it will allow you to restart it. If you try too soon, you
> >just have to wait another couple of minutes. It leads to some fun
> >situations at stoplights.
> >
> >Anyone know what this is? Could it be caused by a bad plug wire?
> >I've got at least one plug wire that is suspect.
> >
> >-Pat
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "MJ Hedstrom" <mj.hedstrom at senate.leg.state.mn.us>
> Organization: MN Senate
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:29:23 -0500
> Subject: Fuse # 15 bowing -- Please help
>
> Fuse #15 on my son's 1990 Audi 100 keeps blowing. The problem seems
> to be
> related to the wipers. The 25 amp fuse has the following items on the
> circut according to owner's manual: wiper motor, turn signals, air
> conditioner, washing nozzle heating, thermoswitch for radiator fan.
>
> Here's what we done and know:
>
> 1) Is not motor or binding. Confirmed by diconnecting the wire connection
> at motor. Fuse still blows.
>
> 2) The fuse only blows when the car is placed in gear. Confirmed by
> running wiper with car started and in park. Even added the additional load
> of ACand turn signals (both are also on this fuse) and as long as the car
> was in park the fuse did not blow.
>
> 3) Put the car in gear and it blows in short order (no pun intended).
>
> 4) The previous owner had replaced the wiper motor and relay in the past
> year
>
> Members help and insights would be most appreciated. Thanks
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Subject: VIN decoder?
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:12 -0400
> From: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> I searched the archives, but the only link I could find is dead. Can
> anybod=
> y provide a link to an Audi VIN decoder? The reason I'm asking is that
> acco=
> rding to
> http://www.europeancarweb.com/archives/features/0102_features_88au=
> dicoupe.shtml the 5th space is for the engine and C =3D NG engine in the
> CG=
> T (making it a "Special Build" but my car has the NG and it has E as the
> 5t=
> h space. I just want to make sure somebody didn't "make" a Special Build
> an=
> d rip me off...
>
> Dave
>
> Too Many Toys:
> 2002 VW Jetta GLS 1.8T Tiptronic
> 1993 RX-7 R1
> 1987.5 Audi Coupe GT "Special Build" 2.3 - Anthracite Black
> 1985 Chevy Impala Interceptor
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Bernard Littau" <bernardl at acumenassociates.com>
> To: "Doyt W. Echelberger" <Doyt at buckeye-express.com>,
> <paanta at splatterfish.com>
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: 5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:48:55 -0700
>
> > When my 87 5ktq acted that way, I replaced the oxygen sensor and the
> > problems stopped. That was two years ago.
>
> As a counterpoint, when my oxygen sensor was bad, I did not notice it at
> all
> until the car failed emissions.
>
> The poor idle and starting behavior seems to me more like a leak in the
> air
> intake system. I can get my car to behave much like you describe by
> removing the oil level dipstick. BTDT by accident one rushed morning.
>
> Clearly, YMMV.
>
> Best,
>
> Bernard Littau
> Woodinville, WA
> '88 5ktq
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:54:32 -0700
> From: "David Manz " <david at mountaindome.com>
> Reply-To: <david at mountaindome.com>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: i need details on how to unsubscribe from this list
>
> I need details on how to subscribe to the list :-P
>
> But seriously dont get mad at 'em for trying to leave.
>
>
> And I for one, like both threads. Honda et al Versus Audi and Yield right
> of way,
>
> The first makes me feel proud of my Audi and well... the second is
> intersting to me.
>
> SOO Stupid question: but what is the fastest 1/4 mile AUDI anyone has ever
> seen/heard of?
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:07:56 +0100 (BST)
> From: Richard van der Hoff <richard at rvanderhoff.org.uk>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: 5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes
>
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Bernard Littau wrote:
>
> > > When my 87 5ktq acted that way, I replaced the oxygen sensor and the
> > > problems stopped. That was two years ago.
> >
> > As a counterpoint, when my oxygen sensor was bad, I did not notice it at
> all
> > until the car failed emissions.
> >
> > The poor idle and starting behavior seems to me more like a leak in the
> air
> > intake system.
>
> Hmm - having to wait a couple of minutes before being able to restart
> sounds like a flooding engine - ie, running too rich. A leak in the air
> intake means you run too lean. More likely is either the O2 sensor or
> temperature sendor.
>
> > I can get my car to behave much like you describe by
> > removing the oil level dipstick. BTDT by accident one rushed morning.
>
> d'oh.
>
> Rich
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:18:35 -0700
> From: "David Manz " <david at mountaindome.com>
> Reply-To: <david at mountaindome.com>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Who Yields?
>
> I want to have another go at it. You have to yield!
> ||
> ||
> ||
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
> D=
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> || /
> ||/
> ||
> || ^
> N
>
> Woo hoo ASCI graphics. SOOOO we have an intersection The southbound car
> w=
> ants to cross traffic and turn left. A north bound gent wants to turn
> right=
> but NOT at the intersection (illigal, or no room, right?) you have to
> take=
> a "side road" very small just a little leg. There is an island to your
> lef=
> t=2E Now if a east bound car was coming through the intersection you would
> =
> have NO problem yielding to them (right?) So from your frame of reference
> I=
> GNORE all southbound cars. JUST look for cars heading east. The tricky
> part=
> is when does the Southbound guy(the guy turning) become a east bound car.
> =
> I think that he becomes an east bound car before you do. HE IS ALREADY
> head=
> ing east by the time you would hit him. So he has the right of way.
> Because he is on the East/west road and you are not, you have to yield to
> h=
> im, just like he was any other car that came from the west heading east.
>
> Please let me know if I got the details wrong. There is some sort of
> island=
> and divergent road right?
>
> ~David
> 1990 90 20v (with new timing belt! First time I have EVER done that,
> Thank=
> s for Big Brothers!)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:27:32 -0400
> To: <david at mountaindome.com>, quattro at audifans.com
> From: Kneale Brownson <knotnook at traverse.com>
> Subject: Re: i need details on how to unsubscribe from this list
>
> --
> Since you ask so politely, IT'S THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED PART OF THE HEADER
> TO EVERY MESSAGE YOU GET FROM THE LIST.
>
> At 09:54 AM 07/15/2002 -0700, David Manz wrote:
>
> > I need details on how to subscribe to the list :-P
> >
> > But seriously dont get mad at 'em for trying to leave.
> >
> >
> >And I for one, like both threads. Honda et al Versus Audi and Yield right
> >of way,
> >
> >The first makes me feel proud of my Audi and well... the second is
> >intersting to me.
> >
> >SOO Stupid question: but what is the fastest 1/4 mile AUDI anyone has
> ever
> >seen/heard of?
> --
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: Ameer Antar <antar at attbi.com>
> Reply-To: Ameer Antar <antar at attbi.com>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: 5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:39:04 +0000
>
> Hard starting when warm is usually b/c the fuel system isn't staying
> pressurized
> after the car shuts down. The fuel pressure in the system will decrease if
> you have
> a bad fuel damper or fuel pump check valve. Also it could be caused by
> leaky
> injectors, including the cold-start injector, or even a bad pressure
> regulator or
> control unit. The best way to test for this is using a CIS fuel pressure
> gauge
> (cheapest is $60 at JCW). You just hook up the gauge, jumper the fuel
> pump, turn
> off the pump and watch the residual pressure. It should very slowly go
> down at the
> rate given by the shop manual. I guess you could also run the pump and
> then
> after shutting it off for 15 mins. see if there is much pressure in the
> fuel system by
> opening the fuel connection at the warm-up regulator. The Haynes manual
> uses
> the procedure for releasing the system pressure.
>
> For the other issues, I'd say give the car a tune-up, at least whatever
> parts are a
> little older. Chnage the fuel/air filters, check plugs, dist. cap, wires,
> and most
> importantly check for vac. leaks. There are many hoses that can develop
> small
> holes, usually on their undersides, which can cause lots of problems. Make
> sure
> ALL hoses are in good shape. Pulling them out will leave no chance for a
> hose to
> hide holes and cracks on you. This is real common Audi stuff so don't
> fret, you'll
> find the problem soon. Good luck.
>
> ---Original Message---
> >
> >To: quattro at audifans.com
> >From: quattro-request at audifans.com
> >Reply-to: quattro at audifans.com
> >Date: 7/15/2002 9:40:28 AM
> >Subject: quattro digest, Vol 1 #3669 - 19 msgs
> >
> >-- __--__--
> >
> >Message: 17
> >From: paanta at splatterfish.com
> >To: quattro at audifans.com
> >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:10:58 -0400
> >Subject: 5KCSQ dies & wont restart for a few minutes
> >
> >My 5KCSQ is still doing its weird thing:
> >
> >The car starts a little hard in the morning, but always starts with a
> >little extra gas. Once it starts it idles ok for a few seconds and then
> >the idle starts to get lower, and lower, and lower and you have to
> >heel-toe whenenver you put the clutch in and come to a stop to keep
> >the car alive. Once the car is warm, it'll idle OK if you don't let the
> >RPM's drop on their own. You can slowly bring the car down to idle
> >and it will idle fine...albeit a little rough. Before this weekend, if
> >the
> >car died, it would restart after a couple of seconds if you let it just
> >sit.
> >However, now, if the car DOES die, it is _extremely_ hard to get
> >restarted. At a bare minimum, you have to wait about two to four
> >minutes before it will allow you to restart it. If you try too soon, you
> >just have to wait another couple of minutes. It leads to some fun
> >situations at stoplights.
> >
> >Anyone know what this is? Could it be caused by a bad plug wire?
> >I've got at least one plug wire that is suspect.
> >
> >-Pat
> >
> >-- __--__--
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: Ameer Antar <antar at attbi.com>
> Reply-To: Ameer Antar <antar at attbi.com>
> To: Audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: CIS to EFI
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:43:36 +0000
>
> Hey just wanted to thank everyone who helped me out w/ my ECU questions.
> Now
> I'm kinda gettin excited about EFI. I was told there are CIS-EFI injector
> adapters
> that replace the curent injector inserts in my manifold. My question is
> what's the
> best place to get 'em and how much do they cost? Also another important
> one is,
> will it fit into a KH intake manifold? Thanks again.
>
> -ameer
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:56:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: CIS to EFI
> From: "Michael Gough" <mdg3369 at mac.com>
> To: Quattro at audifans.com
>
> > My question is what's the
> > best place to get 'em and how much do they cost?
> Get them from your local Vee Dub dealer, say you want 5 inserts for a
> Digifant Jetta or Golf from 90 or so. They cost me about 3 bucks, Nate
> Stuart got ripped off and paid like 5 bucks each :)
>
>
> > Also another important one is,
> > will it fit into a KH intake manifold? Thanks again.
> No they wont go into the KH manifold, but they'll go into the head :) The
> injectors in these motors are in the head, not the manifold. Simply
> unscrew
> your CIS inserts, and install the EFI ones. It's that simple.
> Mike
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim and Patsy Schurz <pjschurz at yahoo.com>
> Subject: High temperatures affecting brakes
> To: Audi <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>
> I have a 1989 Audi Turbo Quatro. Using the airconditioning with high
> ambie=
> nt temperatures after 10 to 30 minutes the brakes begin to drag. Pulling
> t=
> o the side in neutral the car will come slowly to a stop. After turning
> th=
> e engine off to allow things to cool down the brakes will slowly release.
> =
> The brakes have been blead and the fluid changed. Not sure where to look
> f=
> rom here. Has anyone had this experience.
>
>
>
> Jim S.
>
> 1989 Audi 200Q
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:02:50 -0400
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Who Yields?
>
> David Manz wrote:
> > I want to have another go at it. You have to yield!
> > ||
> > ||
> > ||
> > =======================================
> > || /
> > ||/
> > ||
> > || ^
> > N
> >
> > The tricky part is when does the Southbound guy(the guy turning) become
> a east > > bound car.
>
> Or put it this way: you see a southbound car turning left. You decide to
> make your turn anyway. You collide. You try to explain to the police
> officer that you didn't yield because the other guy was turning left, and
> yes, you saw the yield sign.
>
> Do you think the cop will approve of you actions? Do you think your
> insurance company will OK it?
>
> Accidents, even without injury, are way more trouble than they
> are worth even if you're right.
>
> HTH,
> Kent
> '89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy"
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Subject: RE: VIN decoder?
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:30:02 -0400
> From: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com>
> To: <Eric_R_Kissell at email.whirlpool.com>
> Cc: <Quattro at audifans.com>
>
> Yeah, but every one I can find there tells me something different. One
> says=
> that E =3D 2.2 Turbo for Audi 200 (that can't be right), another say it
> me=
> ans "mid to upper engine range for that model, and yet another says upper
> e=
> ngine for that model. So, I have no idea what to believe. Anybody know
> whet=
> her C or E mean the 2.3 NG engine in a Type 85? I have no reason to
> suspect=
> that the car had an engine swap, but you never know...
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric_R_Kissell at email.whirlpool.com
> [mailto:Eric_R_Kissell at email.whirlpool.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:09 PM
> To: David Ullrich - 0018 HQ
> Subject: Re: VIN decoder?
>
>
> I did a search at www.google.com with the text
>
> audi vin decoder
>
> and it returned a bunch of hits.
>
> Eric Kissell
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> ____________________________=
> _____
> Subject: VIN decoder?
> Author: <David.Ullrich at ferguson.com> at INTERNET
> Date: 7/15/2002 12:38 PM
>
>
> I searched the archives, but the only link I could find is dead. Can
> anybody
> provide a link to an Audi VIN decoder? The reason I'm asking is that
> accord=
> ing
> to
> http://www.europeancarweb.com/archives/features/0102_features_88audicoupe.
> s=
> html
> the 5th space is for the engine and C =3D NG engine in the CGT (making it
> a
> "Special Build" but my car has the NG and it has E as the 5th space. I
> just=
> want
> to make sure somebody didn't "make" a Special Build and rip me off...
>
> Dave
>
> Too Many Toys:
> 2002 VW Jetta GLS 1.8T Tiptronic
> 1993 RX-7 R1
> 1987.5 Audi Coupe GT "Special Build" 2.3 - Anthracite Black
> 1985 Chevy Impala Interceptor
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: "Jacob Behm" <poster at bitstream.net>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Audi Caravan
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:38:15 -0500
>
> Last night at about midnight, I was traveling from Madison, WI to
> Minneapolis, MN on I-94 in a dark green Acura Integra (it's a more
> reliable road trip vehicle than my '88 90q20v) at a cruising speed of
> about 80 mph when I was unreservedly passed by a caravan a 6 new Audis.
> It was dark but they looked like A6s. I was in the left (fast) lane as
> I was pushing the limits of 'safely' exceeding the speed limit. The
> first three cars zoomed past me on the right at a speed exceeding mine
> by at least 20 mph. The fourth rudely began to tailgate me and flash
> his lights until I reluctantly acquiesced my coveted left lane and let
> him pass.
>
> I'm telling this story for two reasons:
>
> 1) Whoever was driving car #4 owes me an apology. Confess your sin and
> it will be forgiven you.
>
> 2) Why are 6 Audis cruising at 100mph in tight formation across the
> Midwest in the middle of the night?
>
> - Jacob Behm
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: "scott thomas" <scott at dreamtheater.zzn.com>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:47:03 -0400
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: need cheapest o2 sensor source
>
> Where's the cheapest place I can get a three
> wire universal o2 sensor?
>
> What part number do I use?
>
>
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