Oh, and by the way, someone said that there is no such beast as a V8Q Avant. That's not true! There is! One! In Ingolstadt, at the Audi HQ, the only example is housed. http://home.arcor.de/bmaj.roesner/html/ed1.htm Michael L. Riebs Grand Rapids, Michigan '90 V8Q '98 A6QA www.1stchoicegranite.com