Huw Powell wrote: > the poor tech would have to apply a full 258 pounds at > its end. I couldn't do that, since I weigh less than that... Use your legs and pull up on it. HTH. > Stand on the end of a four foot pipe and it won't > fall off and it won't break. Now that's something to which I can relate. Kent '89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy"