Touareg vs Cayenne, aka duh?

Thu Dec 25 15:48:21 EST 2003

Hi Pantelis.  I will defer to your obvious greater experience - after
all, I don't know anyone else who has a Camel Trophy Discovery (let
alone 2).  I do have a 64 Landrover currently totally disassembled
pending a future (near future hopefully) buildup.

My experience has been keeping the wheels on the ground is best to
maintain control and traction.  Granted, generally the vehicles I have
been driving off road did not have locking rear diffs and I can see
where this changes the 'dynamics' of off roading.  I'm looking forward
to finding out more about this beast, but I doubt we'll see many of them
taking hunters through the bush any time soon.  

Regards

Stephane

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pantelis Giamarellos [mailto:pantg at otenet.gr] 
> Sent: December 23, 2003 10:24 AM
> To: Audi Quattro List
> Subject: Re: Touareg vs Cayenne, aka duh?
> 
> 
> Stephane Hi,
> 
> The Touareg appears to be a VERY capable off roading machine. 
> Its specifications  are amongst the best of any category of 
> civinlian 4X4. Attack, breakover and retreat angles, wading 
> depth, inclines and side slope traversing angles, four wheel 
> drive system setup, the existance of a locking center diff 
> and low gears as standard and an optional rear 100% locking 
> diff but more so the very capable air suspension system all 
> add up to a very capable off roading vehicle which is also 
> extremely capable on the road.
> 
> Especially the V10 engined version is a monster.
> 
> Only drawback is the lack of a seriously sturdy towing point 
> at the front in case you get seriously stuck with it. And 
> some also add the lack of free space to mount a winch at the front.
> 
> As a proof of how convinced I am for the above statement I 
> can only say that eventhough I already own to genuine Camel 
> Trophy Discovery Land Rovers I am reade to place my order for 
> a Touareg V10 and probably sell the RS2 because of it.
> 
> Remember the Touareg V10 delivers 313 bhp and 750 Nm of 
> torque (almost double that of the RS2). And when tuned by Abt 
> the power climbs to 373 bhp and 860 Nm (more than double that 
> of the RS2). Top speed is regulated because of the factory 
> fitted tyres. IF you use the tyres fitted to the Cayenne 
> Turbo you get the same top speed of around 265 Km/h and a 
> 0-100 Km/h acceleration time of 7 seconds. And most 
> importantly you are even faster than the Cayenne Turbo (and 
> the RS2) on the in-gear acceleration times on EVERY speed bracket.
> 
> Still been capable of crossing 58 cm of water (50 cm standard 
> factory limit for Land Rover products without snorkels), 
> still having a ground clearance of more than 30 cm (21 cm for 
> the Camels) and still having a rear locking diff which NO 
> Land Rover vehicle ever had factory fitted as standard equipment.
> 
> As for crossing the ditch with diagonal wheels been in the 
> air this is a proof that the four wheel system of the Touareg 
> (and most modern 4X4 and
> SUVs) is far more capable than the older designs. ETC and 
> electronicaly lockind diffs take the strain out of  off road 
> driving and cross axled situations like that.
> 
> As for the wheel travel I do not remember the exact figure 
> for free travel but the air suspension's settings range from 
> 16 to 30 cm (remember this is not free travel). I seem to 
> remember something like 30 to 35 cm of free travel but I am not sure.
> 
> Take care and Merry Xmas.
> Pantelis
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Livolsi, Stephane" <Stephane.Livolsi at investorsgroup.com>
> To: "Audi Quattro List" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Touareg vs Cayenne, aka duh?
> 
> 
> > Speaking of touareg, I've been seeing a commercial for the Touareg 
> > lately that does not inspire me to want one.
> >
> > The ad shows a very up close gound level shot of the 
> Touareg entering 
> > a ditch diagonally from the left.  As the car (truck?suv?) 
> crosses the 
> > ditch, first the front left and then the right rear tires 
> are in the 
> > air.  Not very practical to have your tires in the air, from an off 
> > roading perspective.
> >
> > I don't expect it to have the same suspension travel as a 
> full blown 
> > off road race truck, but come on... It wasn't that big of a 
> ditch....
> >
> > Stephane
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan DiBiase [mailto:d_dibiase at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: December 23, 2003 7:46 AM
> > > To: Brady Moffatt; Quattro
> > > Subject: Re: Touareg vs Cayenne, aka duh?
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, interesting... This will be quite a test of the Porsche 
> > > 'cachet' - a loaded, top-of-the-line Touareg vs a 'stripped' 
> > > Cayenne! I'd pick the VW anyway, since I think it is much better 
> > > looking than the Cayenne, and I can handle the idea of a large VW 
> > > SUV better than I can the idea of a Porsche SUV...! Of 
> course, as I 
> > > have noted in the past, whomever gets a third seat first would 
> > > probably get my business. Hear that, Audi?!
> > >
> > > Dan D
> > > '04 A4 1.8T q MT-6
> > > Central NJ USA
> > >
> > > --- Brady Moffatt <bradym at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For the same price! Is there something I'm missing?
> > > Attractive Touareg
> > > > with Audi 4.2 V8 (engine from upmarket VAG member) vs.
> > > bufugly Cayenne
> > > > with 3.2
> > > > VR6 (swiped from downmarket VAG member).
> > >
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