Tires

[Larry C. Leung]

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Wow, Steve, quite the collection (of tires AND cars!)

You may be able to give subjective evaluations and impressions about
the tires, but, unfortunately, due to the rather disparate suspension
designs,
and car weights, the comparisons of tire to tire will be hard to be any
more
than that. I guess, unless you are competing, the main goal is that they
are
fun on whatever car that they are on....

(BTW, back when I was auto-X'ing regularly (rather successfully), it was
pretty amazing to notice that no matter what street tire on whatever car
it was that I drove (as an instructor/rider in a number of "learn-it,
drive-it's we
used to run), they just couldn't hold a candle to DOT-R rubber. My
understanding
(never driven them) is that the Pilot Sport (not A/S) and S03 come quite
close, but
still don't have it, which makes sense considering that the real street
tires MUST
actually hold up to alot more miles in order to not have owners really
pissed off.
It seems (not from experience) frow what I've heard, R-rubber seems to
hold up
from anywhere from 1500 - 3000 miles, although they lose competiveness
LONG
before then. Anyone want to replace $200+ tires every 1500 miles?)

Sorry for the long post,

LL - NY


On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:23:50 -0500 "Steve Marinello"
<smarinello at charter.net> writes:
> Interesting note re. Pilot Sports and Pilot Sport A/S tires.  I
> happen to
> have unmounted sets of each right now.  The Pilot Sport summer tire
> is at
> least 2# lighter than the A/S and has noticeable MORE FLEXIBLE
> sidewalls.
> Of course, I believe the A/S's rate even higher on Tire Rack surveys
> than
> the summer tires...and they cost more.  Both are pretty amazing
> tires,
> albeit incredibly expensive in comparison to other options.  But, I
> got them
> for dirt cheap.  Soon to have comparisons of a sort with the Sumi
> HTR-ZII's
> presently on the S6 avant, the Kumho's on the urq and the AVS-dB's
> on the S6
> sedan.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry C. Leung" <l.leung at juno.com>
> To: <tquattroguy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <DieMarthaDie at aol.com>; <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Tires
>
>
> > Fabulous tires, but if you want performance and are willing to
> compromise
> > on
> > things such as noise and ride quality, Autoweek had a test of
> ultra high
> > perf tires
> > in which a Falken (don't recall the model, check the website)
> street tire
> > (not a
> > DOT "R" tire) was champ. It was incredibly noisy and stiff riding,
> but it
> > was
> > marginally tops in terms of track and auto-X performance dry, and
> overall
> > tops in the wet. It was also relatively cheap. Close, but not
> quite was
> > the Kumho
> > Ecsta MX and Sumitomo HTR-Z2, also relatively inexpensive. Overall
> tops
> > of ALL
> > street tires was the Michelin Pilot Sport (NOT AS), but it's
> roughly
> > double the cost
> > of any of the other tires.
> >
> > LL - NY
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Todd Phenneger
> > <tquattroguy at yahoo.com> writes:
> > > I'd look Seriously at one of 2 tires if you want serious
> > > performance.
> > > Michlin Pilot Sport AS
> > > Bridgestone Potenza SO-3
> > >
> > > Both great in wet and dry.  But both expensive.
> > > l8r
> > >   Todd
> > >
> > > --- DieMarthaDie at aol.com wrote:
> > > > how do they handle in WET weather?  I keep finding nice dry
> > > > tires but, not living in AZ, I have to deal with wet roads
> > > > pretty often!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 90 V8Q
> > > >
> > > > > Personnally, I'd take a GOOD look at the
> > > > > Kumho 712's, if you also run snows in the
> > > > > winter (if that applies). A whole lot of
> > > > > performance for the money, Grassroots Motorsports
> > > > > actually found that they compare VERY well
> > > > > (mid pack of some rather nice tires) to other
> > > > > high performance rubber (Sumitomo HTR-Z, Pirelli
> > > > > P7000, some Michelin Pilot, though don't recall
> > > > > the model, Falken Ziev something or other), and their
> > > > > price point is well below all of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would, however, caution of using them as a year
> > > > > round tire, their performance falls off notably
> > > > > once the temps drop to around 35 degrees F or so,
> > > > > snow or no snow.
> > > > >
> > > > > LL - NY
> > >
> > >
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