quattro digest, Vol 1 #5017 - 12 msgs

[josh Leonti]

I got all your messages, but what about when there's no motor in the car
;-( I am really not in the mood to trek the car to a place.. eh..
nevermind.. I will have to do some talking with some fellow people in my
area.

Thanks
Josh


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>    1. Re:Hood Vents (Dave Glubrecht)
>    2. Re:No more (old) Beetles (cobram at juno.com)
>    3. website http://www.digitalnoise.org/4ktq (Suffolk GameServer LAN)
>    4. Re:after run relay (Phil Rose)
>    5. re. how do u remove driver seat armrest type 44? (ben swann)
>    6. Re:Wiring harnes swap for CIS-E3 (or other) (Huw Powell)
>    7. Re:Hood Vents (Huw Powell)
>    8. Brightening up bumper trim? (Doug Johnson)
>    9. RE:20V 90 1990 7A Engine Exhaust Downpipes (Mark at cr-x.org)
>   10. Re:Brightening up bumper trim? (Huw Powell)
>   11. steering wheel removal?? (George Nimmer)
>   12. Re:re. Wont rev above 1500 RPM then cooled, continued. (Leif
Karlsson)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Dave Glubrecht" <daveglu at hotmail.com>
> To: "Brady Moffatt" <bradym at sympatico.ca>,
> "Jim Green" <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>,
> "Quattro list" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Cc: <QSHIPQ at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Hood Vents
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0700
>
> That is what I used on my "spare" hood.  Except I used the side without
the
> inlet duct on the front.
> Dave G
>   83 urq
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Datsun 280ZX Turbo vents aren't bad at all.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brady
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Green" <jeg1976 at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > > I think it's time for some hood vents.  I just about
> > > burned my hand when I leaned on my hood yesterday.
> > > The area above the turbo is scary hot.  I've seen SJ's
> > > install at
> > > http://www.hometown.aol.com/qshipq/myhomepage/pictures.html
> > >
> > > I think those look nice, and would be easy to install.
> > >  Anyone know where to get the vents, or have any other
> > > suggestions?  I also like the Ford Cosworth vents, but
> > > I guess they are hard to get ahold of.  The Subaru
> > > vents may work well, but I'd like to stay away from
> > > those.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> To: brett at cloud9.net
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:53:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: No more (old) Beetles
> From: cobram at juno.com
>
> It may just be resuscitated again.  The Bug story is almost like a B
> Japanese movie "The Bug that wouldn't die."  It's production was
> completely stopped in Brazil about a decade ago, and it was brought back
> by Presidential Decree!  Seems there was an outcry from Bug lovers
> similar to the "New Coke" fiasco here in the US.  Production has ceased
> for limited periods worldwide many times over the years.
>
> After being brought back into production in Brazil, common sense took
> over and nobody except the hard core Bug lovers could justify a car which
> was the same money as a it's contemporary VW cousin the "Gol", got worse
> mileage, less refined, slower, noisier, etc. etc. Sales died and VW
> wanted subsidies upped to keep the line going, govt said no, stampings
> were moved to Mexico (again).  Bug production has ping ponged between
> Mexico and Brazil for many years, they even had a joint venture between
> the two subsidiaries to bring the Bug back to the US market, but internal
> VW politics killed that idea, as did VW or America.  The last thing VW of
> America wanted at the time was to be associated with anything that wasn't
> cutting edge and high tech, they'd spent alot of money getting that image
> out and still had the bitter taste of the American Made from Mexican
> parts VW fiasco in it's mouth.
>
> From what I noticed while in Mexico City a while back, the majority of
> the Bugs were serving as Taxi's.
>
> You're right that the car costs VW very little, but then again it's sold
> for very little.  It was always good enough, and had it's core buyers and
> VW knew they weren't going to recruit new buyers no matter what they did.
>  If you look at the changes over the years, the car is pretty much what
> it was when ole Adolf gave it his blessing, and VW has not spent much to
> improve or upgrade it over the years.  If you look close at the pictures
> of the Mexican stamping plant, they're still using a couple of Krupp
> machines and stamps from the late 1940's.
>
> I'm a convertible Karmann Ghia man when it comes to the old VW's, no love
> loss for the Beetle.
>
> Like an old dog that's had a good run, but has lived too long to have a
> decent quality of life, putting the ole Herbie to bed is long overdue.
>
> BCNU,
> http://www.geocities.com/cobramsri/
>
> Brett Dikeman <brett at cloud9.net> writes:
>
> > While not Audi related, it's in the family.  All these years, VW has
> > been still making the "old" Beetle at a Mexican plant which also
> > makes the "new" Beetle.  VW has announced that sometime this year,
> > they will stop making the original Beetle.
> >
> > Last year's sales were "less than 30,000 units".  VW seems to feel
> > that's measly- but AoA just recently matched that # in sales to
> > date
> > this year; doing half the sales with one antique model compared to
> > the company's US luxury branch isn't too shabby.
> >
> >    I can't believe the operation was a money loser- not like
> > they've had to re-tool the place with each new model year, I doubt
> there
> > was much if anything in the way of marketing, and so on- talk about
> > your low budget operation.
> >
> > Kinda sad...
>
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> Message: 3
> Reply-To: <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
> From: "Suffolk GameServer LAN" <suffolk.associates at verizon.net>
> To: <4ktq at myrealbox.com>
> Cc: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: website http://www.digitalnoise.org/4ktq
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:08:16 -0400
>
>
> Excellent job
> -Scott in BOSTON
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:00:23 -0400
> To: ben swann <benswann at comcast.net>
> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: after run relay
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com
>
> At 10:37 PM -0400 6/6/03, ben swann wrote:
> >In my experience and understanding of how the afterun system works, the
> >engine needs to really be heat soaked for the afterun to come on.  You
> >may not have a problem.  I thought I did when I got my first 5ktq, and
> >replaced MTFS and checked the components up and down.  Finally when I
> >did a long trip in warmer weather, then the afterrun kicked in.
>
> My afterrun typically would never come on unless the weather was
> warm-to-hot. I did the shorted-leads test, and that seemed to check
> out OK. Eventually the afterrun became undependable even in hot
> weather and often didn't work when expected. Last month, when I
> finally replaced the sensor, I found that one of the spade connectors
> had never been properly pushed onto the sensor terminal
> (inadvertantly, it had been pushed aside--inside its rubber boot.)
> That sensor terminal was also well-corroded--I guess there might have
> been enough accidental contact from time-to-time for the system to
> trigger, but it eventually stopped. I've installed the new sensor,
> taking care to make proper connections. However the system still
> seems to need (as Ben says) to be "really heat soaked" and have
> fairly warm weather in order to come on.
>
> Phil
> --
>
> Phil Rose Rochester, NY USA
> '91 200q (139K, Lago blue)
> '91 200q   (64K, Tornado red) mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:02:46 -0400
> From: ben swann <benswann at comcast.net>
> Subject: re. how do u remove driver seat armrest type 44?
> To: henryont at rogers.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> Don,
>
> Use a long allen wrench which is inserted through a small hole in the
> side closest to the passenger.  There should be a plug or a slit to fit
> the wrench through.  I think it is a 5mm try a 6mm first 'cause you
> don't want to strip the head.  Remove the long bolt and pull the arm
> off.  2 minute job once you fid the allen key..
>
> You'll have to dig around to find a suitable plug for the hole once
> armrest is removed.
>
> Ben
> [From: "henrys" <henryont at rogers.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: how do u remove driver seat armrest type 44?
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:27:19 -0400
>
> looked in the Bentley but can't find it anywhere?
>
> any help appreciated
> don]
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:04:19 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Reply-To: audi at humanspeakers.com
> To: ben swann <benswann at comcast.net>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com, one at humanspeakers.com
> Subject: Re: Wiring harnes swap for CIS-E3 (or other)
>
>
> > Were you able to remove the entire harness for the engine management.
> > or did you have to cut somewhere.  If I recall some of the harness
> > branches went behind the climate control box and was only after removal
> > I was able to get it out.
>
> You might have to "cut", but it should only be one or two wires.  In
> other words, you wind up with one discrete monstrosity.
>
> Also, when I've been doing this sort of thing, the car is coming apart,
> so tough wires eventually get exposed making them easy to remove.
>
> > Also,  I thought someone had mentioned the CIS-E3 took the same MFTS as
> > the MC/MAC-11, but when I did the layout the other day using 87.5 GT
> > harness, the connector was the same as the 4KQ/GT sensor.  Are they the
> > same sensor?  That is CIS E sensor is same as CIS-E3?
>
> The temp sender for the ECU is either the same or looks the same.  The
> MFTS might not talk the fuel/ign system at all... though there is
> usually a wire to the ECU telling it that the AC is on so it can plan on
>   more air/fuel for the idle to stay the same.
>
> > Regarding the MC/MAC-11 harness, that will be installed in the Ur
> > Quattro I just got.  So I'll have to be interfacing that with the older
> > fusebox type wiring.
>
> Well, it's been done many times... and in several cases, undone so EFI
> can be installed.  Having watched this process unfold, and helped a
> little with some of it... if I were doing a turbo conversion, or even in
> the case of an UrQ a turbo "swap", I would skip straight to 034 EFI -
> simpler, neater, and user-tweakable.
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>
> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:19:47 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Reply-To: audi at humanspeakers.com
> To: Tom Nas <tnas at euronet.nl>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Hood Vents
>
>
> >> I must say the hood Mark Swanson has looks pretty good.
> >> http://www.mswanson.com/audi/Exterior%20Upgrades/sport_hood.php
> >
> >
> > Yup, looks like a Sport q replica item. Very nice indeed. I'd probably
> > install a mesh screen behind the vents myself, if it was my car.
>
> He did, and it is a very nice hood indeed.  Light, so he only needs one
> hood strut to raise it.  I think he used the stock style spring/knob
> locks, and has a custom little rig with a lock pin and some braided wire
> for the center safety catch.
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>
> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
>
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> Message: 8
> From: "Doug Johnson" <ur-quattro at msn.com>
> To: "q-list" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Brightening up bumper trim?
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:58:14 -0700
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> I used to use stuff called Black Chrome (3M, thinks me) to bring the black
> color back to the bumper trim on older Audis, but I can't locate any any
> more.
>
> Has anyone gotten good results with anything else in particular?
>
> TIA!
>
>  ~ Doug
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Reply-To: <Mark at cr-x.org>
> From: <Mark at cr-x.org>
> To: <iain.atkinson at tesco.net>, <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: 20V 90 1990 7A Engine Exhaust Downpipes
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:08:53 +0100
>
> Pre 1990 had a tubular steer manifold, 5-1
> Post 1990 had a cast manifold, 5-2-1
>
> Out of curiosity which gasket is gone?  Mine has gone on the downpipe
> flange, i have a gasket on order so i can send you the part number next
week
> when i collect it. Looks like a real PITA to change.
>
> Mark.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin at audifans.com [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of iain.atkinson at tesco.net
> Sent: 07 June 2003 13:06
> To: iain.atkinson at tesco.net; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: 20V 90 1990 7A Engine Exhaust Downpipes
>
>
> Ok i think i have answered my own question, there is chassis break and the
> part no i seek is the one for the KV engined coupe q even though etka
> doesn't show the 3into2into1 downpipe.
>
>
> Iain
> >
> > From: <iain.atkinson at tesco.net>
> > Date: 2003/06/07 Sat AM 11:56:20 GMT
> > To: quattro at audifans.com
> > Subject: 20V 90 1990 7A Engine Exhaust Downpipes
> >
> > Folks
> >
> > i was gonna start and replace the exhaust manifold gaskets today got all
> the bits or so i thought but looking at the downpipe i have 3into2into1,
> whereas etka shows only 1 big pipe for the 7a engine, i have the cast
> manifold not the tubular one. Any thoughts on what this pipe is (looks
like
> one of a KV engined 4kq) and what the correct part no for downpipe to
> manifold should be???
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> > Iain
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:22:56 -0400
> From: Huw Powell <audi at humanspeakers.com>
> Reply-To: audi at humanspeakers.com
> To: Doug Johnson <ur-quattro at msn.com>
> Cc: q-list <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: Brightening up bumper trim?
>
>
> > I used to use stuff called Black Chrome (3M, thinks me) to bring the
black
> > color back to the bumper trim on older Audis, but I can't locate any any
> > more.
> >
> > Has anyone gotten good results with anything else in particular?
>
> here are a few comments and recommendations I have culled over the years:
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/tricks.htm#black
>
> --
> Huw Powell
>
> http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi
>
> http://www.humanthoughts.org/
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:32:31 -0400
> From: George Nimmer <george164 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: steering wheel removal??
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Organization:
>
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> I've a need to remove the steering wheel in my '98 Passat.  I assume an
> Audi A4 is similar, so if you have experience with either of these
> vehicles please let me know.
>
> Anyhow, the problem is in the type of bolt or nut that holds the
> steering wheel on.  In my 4kq, it's just a large nut (24mm or something)
> that you undo and the wheel is free.  In this Passat, it appears to take
> one of those star-shaped "torx" bits instead.  I went to the local Sears
> to find Torx bits, and the largest size they sell is a Tx50 which
> appears to be roughly 5mm in diameter.  This torx item in the passat
> looks to be about 8mm or 9mm in diameter.
>
> Where do I get a torx bit this large?  Does it even take a standard torx
> bit or do I need some special VAG tool to do the job?
>
> TIA!!
>
> --
> George Nimmer <george164(at)earthlink.net>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:05:51 +0200
> From: Leif Karlsson <leif.karlsson at mbox332.swipnet.se>
> Organization: Disorganization
> To: ben swann <benswann at comcast.net>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: re. Wont rev above 1500 RPM then cooled, continued.
>
>
> It was (is) my impression that the MTFS *is* the sending unit for the
> temp. gauge (and some other things, like a warning light above 120C) and
> that the small one on top is connected to the fuel & ignition system. Is
> this wrong? It's the one on top that I replaced (and it was broken
> anyway).
>
> I fixed the wiring to the MTFS just weeks ago, that didn't change a
> thing (of course, the sending unit it self may be bad too).
>
> Leif
>
> ben swann wrote:
> >
> > Did you replace the Multi-Function Temp sensor (MTFS) on the bottom of
> > the cooling neck, or the sending unit for the temp guage?  The error is
> > a bad MTFS.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:34:56 +0200
> > From: Leif Karlsson <leif.karlsson at mbox332.swipnet.se>
> > Organization: Disorganization
> > To: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>
> > Subject: Wont rev above 1500 RPM then cooled, continued.
> >
> > Ok, Im still having trouble with this one.
> >
> > I have checked the idle switch: Works just fine.
> >
> > So I pulled the error codes. It told me that the temp. sensor is bad. I
> > also got an error code that I don't recognize: 3434 (or possibly, 4343),
> > anyone know what this on is about? Anyway, the last one don't seem to
> > appear again.
> >
> > So I replaced the temp. sensor, still no good: The old one was
> > definitely bad, the new one however gives me correct readings (about
> > 2500 then cold and ~300 then warm) but the ECU still tells me that the
> > temp. sensor is bad... And it doesn't run like it should then cooled, if
> > anything it runs worse like there wasn't a temp. sensor at al.
> >
> > Bad wiring comes to mind, is there a good way to test if the ECU signal
> > gets through al the way to the temp. sensor? Or is there something else
> > that can make the ECU think that the engine is warm then it really isn't
> > and therefor make it believe that the temp. sensor is bad?
> >
> > Any ideas are welcome.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Leif
>
>
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