where to get 4kq springs??????

[Jason K Gray]

 One problem here, the 4KQ front spring rate is around 110#/inch and the
rears springs are around 160#/in. Moving the stock front springs to the rear
will dramaticly SOFTEN the rear spring rate. Combined with stiffer front
springs, this would make the 4KQ understeer even worse than it already does
with stock springs. See my 4/22/03 post (below) describing my dabblings with
stock springs.

Jason K  Gray
Anchorage Alaska


where to get 4kq springs??????
passat TS passat_ts at hotmail.com
Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:29:28 +0000

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I don't know if this option will work for you, but if you move your front
springs to the rear and put CGT spring on the front, you'll increase the
clearance between 1"-1.5" , and add 20% more spring rate.

Later,

Carlos
ps. I didn't invent this, it's just an old trick for the poors man 4K rally
suspension.


>From: Mike Schmitt <fetish at montana.com>
>To: quattro at audifans.com
>Subject: where to get 4kq springs??????
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:41:40 -0700
>
>Hello all. I'm looking for some nice aftermarket springs for my '84
>4kq..... the crux is that I want stock ride height... all I can find are
>lowering springs.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike Schmitt
>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason K Gray" <jason510 at att.net>
To: <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: re: Suitable rallycross springs for daily driver 4000Q


> I took measurements of stock springs and calulated that the front stock
> springs on my 4000Q were 110#/in and the rears were 160#/in. The free
length
> of the back springs is several inches shorter than the front. Putting the
> softer stock front springs onto the back will raise the rear ride heigth
> slightly due to the longer spring free length but you will also be giving
up
> handeling due to the softer rear spring rate (encouraging more body roll
at
> back and also making the chassie more prone to understeer).
>
>    I have an entire parts car and have played with swaping springs a bit,
I
> put the extra set of the rear springs I had onto the front of my daily
> driver 4KQ. The stock rear springs nicely stiffened the front spring rate
> but also lowered the front ride heigth a bit. It would be driveable like
> this for someone wanting a lowered ride height but was a bit too low for
my
> taste ( I need enough clearance to get through deep snow) so I  relocated
> the front strut spring perch upward on the strut by 1" to to ensure I had
> decent ground clearance and adequate suspension travel so it didnt bottom
> out as often on rough roads. The combination of stock rear spring used the
> front and addition of a front sway bar onto the rear suspension works well
> to reduce cornering body roll and produce somewhat neutral handeling.
> (Stiffer front springs alone would increase understeer, addition of the
rear
> sway bar promotes oversteer so the two somewhat cancel out).
>
>   The rear spring that were originaly on my 4000Q had sagged noticeably
and
> I had very little rear clearance and little suspension travel available
for
> rough roads. I didnt particularly want to change the rear spring rate or
get
> new springs so I relocated the rear strut spring perch higher on the strut
> tube to restore ride height. You can do this by several methods:
> 1) carefully cut spring perch from the strut tube, grind away the original
> weld, and permanantly re-weled the perch higher on the tube.
non-adjsutable.
> 2) install a custom made spacer above the spring  to increase the
effective
> spring length.
> 3) Purchase and use coil-over threaded collars to locate and re-position
the
> springs (eithor using stock or smaller diameter springs).
> 4)  ghetto coil-overs; The stock spring perch  can easily be cut off the
> strut with hacksaw without cutting into the strut tube, cut throught the
> spring perch just below the weld on the strut tube, then grind the weld
off
> the strut tube so the perch can be raised and relocated where desired. To
> relocate the perch on the strut tube, the stock spring perch rest on a
> muffler U-bolt saddle clamp (2" size for rear, 1-7/8" size for front) that
> is fixed around the strut tube. I would suggest actually resting the perch
> on a "stack" of 2 muffler clamps, one underneath the other for extra
> security so it cannot possibly slip. Use the heavy duty 3/8" bolt size
> clamps, JG whitney even sell stainless steel muff clamps if you are
worried
> about rusting. Muffler clamps are much cheaper solution  for
semi-adjustment
> ride height than using threaded collar coil-overs if you dont mind
> dissasembling  the strut to adjust ride heigth. This method has worked
> reliably for me.
>
>  Jason  Gray
>  Anchorage, Alaska
>  87' 4Kcsq
>
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> Mark Kingsbury romanracing at mindspring.com
> Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:49:49 -0400
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> Anyone have suggestions for suitable springs used with Bilstein HD's on a
> daily driver, rallycross/forest road running 85 4KQ?  Don't really want to
> go with coilovers and would like some additional ground clearance.  I've
> heard of switching the front springs to the rear and running CGT springs
up
> front, but that sure seems a little cobbled together.  Still, perhaps
worth
> a try?
>


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