quattro digest, Vol 1 #4923 - 15 msgs

[Larry C. Leung]

I'm with Carter here. Although I found their turn-in response a little
lacking
compared to the current R-rubber, they had plenty of grip, didn't give
up,
and were especially recoverable when you screwed up. Although I don't
wax as poetic as Carter, they were damn good tires, and were capable of
making a newbie drive like a champ in short order. The 032R doesn't even
come close, makes you wonder if they came from the same mfg'er.

LL - NY

> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:51:09 -0400
> From: Kwattro at aol.com
> To: mannix at rmsolo.org
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: track Qs & tires
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2003 5:01:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mannix at rmsolo=
> .org writes:
>
> > Iain(only driven on them a few times, remind me of a
> > Yokohama
> > A008R/RS2)
>
> Never, never put the A008RS down.  They were undoubtedly the best
> track tir=
> es that I've ever seen.  Long lasting, lots of grip and extremely
> dependabl=
> e=2E  The only problem that I had with them is that with the GT you
> could o=
> verheat the front tires over a long session, and then you needed to
> back do=
> wn.  I even ran with those tires, nearly in slick form, in the rain.
> I was=
>  lapping every other car, and no one could believe it!  Phenominal
> tires, w=
> ish they still made them...the A032R was a weak replacement.
>
> Carter
>
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> Message: 2
> From: Padanneo at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:00:39 EDT
> Subject: Re: 86 4K Q - Turn Signals
> To: audi at humanspeakers.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
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> In a message dated 5/9/2003 4:50:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> audi at humanspeakers.com writes:
>
> >
> > So one either plays with wires and relays, or gets a generic
> socket and
> > plays mostly with hacksaws, dremels, and epoxy.
> >
> >
> I went to the wrecking yard and took the blinker sockets from an '89
> 80(i
> believe) three wire/fillament socket, and took the live(hot) wire
> from the
> blinker and added it to the existing two wires, all wire colors
> match the
> socket, the socket doesn't plug in into the lens as the  two
> fillament socket
> did, but it will go in and hold. It's been 2 years and no
> condensation nor
> have I had to replace the bulbs.
> Paul
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:20:39 -0400
> From: Kwattro at aol.com
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: More on track tires...
>
> I forgot to mention that I use the R version Goodyear GS-CS, which
> are supp=
> osed to be good for a second a lap over the Hoosiers when in their
> prime.  =
> There is also a Goodyear Eagle F1R that is awesome in both wet and
> dry.  Th=
> e main problem with them, though, as with the G-Forces, are that
> they tend =
> to lack long-term progressive grip.  They're great a few times, and
> then re=
> ally start to fall off.  I think (as do many others) that Michelin
> currentl=
> y holds the upper hand in street/track performance.  Not only do the
> Pilot =
> Sport Cups provide an excellent long life streetable track tire, but
> any of=
>  the series (oem on some Audis, most BMW M's) Pilots are an
> excellent choic=
> e as a sometimes track tire.  The question that you have to ask
> yourself is=
>  how much ytou're willing to compromise streetability, longevity,
> etc. for =
> grip.  The ultimate, of course, is to have both street and track
> tires/whee=
> ls....
>
> Carter
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: More on track tires...
> To: Kwattro at aol.com
> Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> I think also cost factors in here.  I run Michelin
> tires on every vehicle I own.  I KNOW they are the
> most expensive tires.  I KNOW there are cheaper tires.
>  I've tried many if not all of them.  I ran Blizzak
> MZ-02s last winter and will go back to Artic Alpins at
> the earliest opportunity.  On my Dorf pickup, they
> last at least 3 times as long with better
> characteristics than any other tire I've tried.
> Firestone Steeltex...what a joke.  Cooper Cobras are
> also a joke.  Just MHO.
>
> Jim
>
> --- Kwattro at aol.com wrote:
> > I forgot to mention that I use the R version
> > Goodyear GS-CS, which are supposed to be good for a
> > second a lap over the Hoosiers when in their prime.
> > There is also a Goodyear Eagle F1R that is awesome
> > in both wet and dry.  The main problem with them,
> > though, as with the G-Forces, are that they tend to
> > lack long-term progressive grip.  They're great a
> > few times, and then really start to fall off.  I
> > think (as do many others) that Michelin currently
> > holds the upper hand in street/track performance.
> > Not only do the Pilot Sport Cups provide an
> > excellent long life streetable track tire, but any
> > of the series (oem on some Audis, most BMW M's)
> > Pilots are an excellent choice as a sometimes track
> > tire.  The question that you have to ask yourself is
> > how much ytou're willing to compromise
> > streetability, longevity, etc. for grip.  The
> > ultimate, of course, is to have both street and
> > track tires/wheels....
> >
> > Carter
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: james accordino <ssgacc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: track Qs & tires
> To: Kwattro at aol.com
> Cc: audi list <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> I don't really agree.  It seems that each of the tires
> has strong points.  F1 tires don't have as much apps.
> re. street tires as one might think.  They are hand
> built, one off models.
>
> Jim
>
> --- Kwattro at aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/9/2003 6:46:34 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time, ssgacc at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > > He who goes for
> > > purpose built, no street app. low life cycle tires
> > > will usually win, all else being "nearly" equal.
> > >
> > > Jim Accordino
> >
> > Look at F1 - the difference between 1st and 4th is 2
> > good laps on good tires. :-)
> >
> > Carter
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 02:04:43 GMT
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Will a 5ktq flywheel/clutch fit a CGT?
> From: qshipaz at juno.com
>
>
> Greetings,
> As the now daily driven CGT makes its way back to full strength, I
> was curi=
> ous about something: Since I have a GT with throwout bearing noise
> and a st=
> iff clutch pedal, and I have a freshly resurfaced 5ktq flywheel with
>  new c=
> lutch kit gathering dust (project taking a back seat to the GT
> resurrection=
> ), will the two be possible to combine? I have heard that the clutch
> disc i=
> s bigger on a TQ... I guess I'd just like feedback from anyone who's
> tried =
> it, before I order a second clutch kit from TPC.
>
> Regards,
> Rob
> '86 CGT (with new Sony tunes- I know the *radio* fits!)
> '91 200q
>
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> Message: 7
> Reply-To: <sutul at telusplanet.net>
> From: "Dr. Ian McArthur" <sutul at telusplanet.net>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: head bolts
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:45:02 -0600
>
> Nope.  I just bought one.  Its 14mm.  Ists a K-D part, number K-D
> 2306.
> Cost nine bucks Canadian.
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:quattro-admin at audifans.com]On
> Behalf Of luke
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: head bolts
>
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> anyone know how big the triple square head bolts on a kh are?
> looks like 13 mm but i dont want to buy the wrong one.
>
> thanks
> luke (dead 90tq)
> --
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tessie McMillan <tessmc at drizzle.com>
> To: Kwattro at aol.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: track Qs & tires
>
> On Fri, 9 May 2003 Kwattro at aol.com wrote:
>
> > We use the Pilot sport cups in the dry, and the Toyos in the wet.
>
> Shoot! I had no idea they were in the price-park of the Michelins.
>
> To be clear, I'm not competitive. I enjoy running on street tires
> (aside from the sacrifice in straight-line braking) -- they are much
> more
> fun and slide nicely, and if it rains you can still get
> traction. However, they don't last an outing!  So yes, I'm more
> interested
> in a compromise tire, one with longevity. And I will also not dodge
> the
> suggestion that an R compound gives me more confidence. I
> understand
> the driver is the important element in the pair "car + driver"
> (meaning,
> don't put track tires on a car with a lousy driver in an effort to
> make
> him better; train him to drive better first). However, the physical
> layout
> of SIR/(now PR) makes it pretty much totally unforgiving in
> comparison to
> our other venue Bremerton. I do believe that an R compound tire in
> this
> particular environment gives the driver one more element of control
> and
> that adds up to increased safety. After reading a couple of the
> posts I do
> feel compelled to explain this.
>
> Thanks for all the help!
>
> Tess
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> From: AUDIJIM at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:52:31 EDT
> Subject: TAP out of business?
> To: quattro at audifans.com
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> I talked to Ivor? (Igor?) a few months back. For some reason, he
> felt like
> talking so I listened. I heard a rumor that TAP was going out of
> business so
> I thought I would give him a call just to go fishing :) He went on
> about
> closing TAP and how he was starting some driving schools for
> government
> training or something like that. In fact he mentioned that he was
> opening two
> schools if I remember correctly. He asked if I was interested in his
> left
> over Audi stock and he said he would send me a e-mail of his
> inventory, buy
> as usual, he was blowing smoke where it didn't belong and I never
> got that
> e-mail. I can just be thankful that I never bought anything from TAP
> and I
> can only complain about his rude disposition on the telephone to me
> when I
> tried calling them about some Audi parts many years ago. I just
> found it very
> odd that he took the time to tell me all of this that one day.
>
> JIM
>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:09:26 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Iain Mannix <mannix at rmsolo.org>
> To: Kwattro at aol.com
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: track Qs & tires
>
> Not putting them down - the RA1 reminds me of the A008RS.
>
> Not bad, not good.  I used to run A008R takeoffs from SRFs.
>
> A Hoosier R3S03 will _destroy_ an RA1 or A008Rx(2) on a roadcourse,
> though.  No comparison in terms of performance.
>
> Longevity?  A008s win.  Speed?  Hoosier.
>
> Depends what one wants from a tire.  Want to win?  Hoosier, maybe
> Kumho.  Want a tire that lasts a long time, with the added benefit
> of long-lasting tread?  Toyo, A008.
>
> Priorities.
>
>
> Iain
>
> On Fri, 9 May 2003 Kwattro at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 5/9/2003 5:01:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mannix at rmso=
> lo.org writes:
> >
> > > Iain(only driven on them a few times, remind me of a
> > > Yokohama
> > > A008R/RS2)
> >
> > Never, never put the A008RS down.  They were undoubtedly the best
> track t=
> ires that I've ever seen.  Long lasting, lots of grip and extremely
> dependa=
> ble.  The only problem that I had with them is that with the GT you
> could o=
> verheat the front tires over a long session, and then you needed to
> back do=
> wn.  I even ran with those tires, nearly in slick form, in the rain.
>  I was=
>  lapping every other car, and no one could believe it!  Phenominal
> tires, w=
> ish they still made them...the A032R was a weak replacement.
> >
> > Carter
> >
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 23:20:02 -0400
> From: Frederick Smith <smitty at pcrealm.net>
> To: Tony Tuzzolino <tonytuzz at earthlink.net>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Is TAP out of business?
>
> Ivor is actually trying to close the TAP portion of his company.
> (I wonder what will become of his "distributor network"??)
> Distributors
> paid some serious money to secure areas of distribution for the
> products he imported/sold. Anyway, his rally school is training US
> agents in various forms of performance driving skills and the TAP
> deal
> is a less lucrative endeavor at this time. I spoke with him at the
> last
> MWHC and he mentioned that that was his main focus.
>
> Smitty
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 23:25:23 -0400
> From: Frederick Smith <smitty at pcrealm.net>
> To: Bob DAmato <bob at audisport.com>
> Cc: quattro <quattro at audifans.com>,
>         Mark Besso <quattro at audisport.com>
> Subject: Re: Ramana!!!!!
>
> He also got some Speedvision "face time" on their 1hr. replay of
> the Snowdrift Rally. Tim O'Neil introduced his Airforce Reserve
> Ford Focus to the fans and the wood lot!!
>
> Smitty
>
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> Message: 13
> From: "Max Lowry" <rabimoose at hotmail.com>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Weird reaction when the car is floored.
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 23:29:41 -0700
>
> I own a 1989 100 quattro that when you floor it starts to drift to
> the
> right.  to keep the car going straight  i have to turn the wheel
> left.  I
> thought this was normal when i got the car because it is my first
> audi.  I
> found out this was weird when i drove my aunts 91 200.  does anybody
> know
> how to fix this problem?
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:30:30 +0200
> To: "Michael Gough" <mdg3369 at newtsplace.com>,
>         Martin Pajak <martin at quattro.ca>, quattro at audifans.com
> From: Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
> Subject: Re: 20vt Header
>
> Heh guys, lucky you if you can still get RS2 EMs for ~$600, I'm very
> afraid
> it is soon over! In Belgium, the official dealer price with no
> discounts is
> ~1100 Euro, i.e. $1200.
>
> Keep up the good work Martin, if you make the design RS2-ish, I'm
> very
> interested!
>
> Mihnea
>
> At 19:09 8/05/2003 -0700, Michael Gough wrote:
> >Nice CAD work,
> >The collector looks pretty abrupt, especially #1,2,5
> >Not sure what the reason is for making one of these, the RS2 EM
> already fits
> >the stock location and I can't imagine something fabricated would
> be any
> >cheaper than the ~$600 RS2 manifold.
> >Now if you move the turbo out a bit, you can make the runners
> smoother and
> >make a nicer transition to the collector. I might be interested in
> something
> >like this when I upgrade to the 20v head (budget setbacks, it was
> going to
> >be soon)
> >Just my $0.02 USD
> >Mike
> >
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Just wondering how many would be interested in my 20vt header.
> > > Pics of the model are below.  Now I just have to find someone to
> build it.
> > > This is designed to replace the stock manifold directly with no
> need for
> > > custom downpipe and custom turbo oil and water pipes.
> > >
> > > Constructive critisism is most welcome.
> > >
> > > http://www.quattro.ca/Header.html
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Martin Pajak
> > > http://www.quattro.ca
> > >
> > > 1983 Audi Ur-quattro (289,000 km) Canadian spec. winter car
> > > 1985 Audi Ur-quattro (166,000 km) Euro spec. import ;o)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:06:03 -0500
> From: "Cade Carvell" <ccarvell at nbsusa.com>
> To: <quattro at audifans.com>, <rabimoose at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Weird reaction when the car is floored.
>
> Is it drifting under "hard accel"?  If so, check tire pressures,
> and
> tire condition.  You may want to consider swapping front rear tires
> and
> see if makes a difference.
>
>
>
> Cade Carvell
> National Business Systems, Inc.
> 2919 West Service Road
> Eagan, MN 55121
> Office: 651-994-4400
>
> >>> "Max Lowry" <rabimoose at hotmail.com> 05/10/03 01:29AM >>>
> I own a 1989 100 quattro that when you floor it starts to drift to
> the
> right.  to keep the car going straight  i have to turn the wheel
> left.
> I
> thought this was normal when i got the car because it is my first
> audi.
>  I
> found out this was weird when i drove my aunts 91 200.  does
> anybody
> know
> how to fix this problem?
>
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