better rear brakes

[JShadzi at aol.com]

Yes, its actually Cad. plating...or there are a few other types of coatings for steel too.
Javad

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>Eh??? Anodized Rotors? Eh??? Heres me thinking that you can only anodize
>Aluminium..... Obviously Aluminium is the rotor of choice in the Boy racer
>circles ha ha... I guess after a few stops the aluminium expands so much
>that you have no trouble stopping.....
>He he
>Now If im wrong... let the fires of hell rain down on me!!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:   Brett Dikeman [mailto:brett at cloud9.net]
>Sent:   21 May 2003 23:53
>To: no1of consequence; brett.goetz at rtp.ppdi.com
>Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>Subject:    Re: better rear brakes
>
>At 5:04 PM +0000 5/21/03, no1of consequence wrote:
>>WHOA, Nellie! sorry for trying to help a bruther out!
>
>Bad advice doesn't help anyone.  You never even considered that his
>brake system might not be fully functional, but you were happy to
>recommend all manner of aftermarket products, most of which have
>questionable benefits.  That's bad advice, plain and simple, my
>friend.  The lister who suggested confirming proper hydraulic
>pressure reservoir operation offered far better advice.
>
>>>That's probably because your proportioning valve wasn't working(or
>>>adjusted properly.)  They freeze up all the time.  Going to bigger
>>>brakes in back will make the problem seem smaller, but you're
>>>fixing a symptom, not the problem.
>>
>>
>>anythings possible. i actually had the brakes pressure tested when
>>my mecahnic got a cool new tool jsut for that purpose. i suspected
>>my rear load-compensating bias doohickey was off because my rear
>>brakes were showing very little pad dust.
>
>Well, you don't need to "suspect" anything, nor do you need fancy
>tools.  You just see if the lever can move freely, and check the
>adjustment.  You can even clamp the thing completely wide open and
>see if there's a difference.  If not, the valve's busted internally
>and you need a new one.
>
>>you know, theres are sereral equally sound-sounding arguments for
>>drilled/slotted rotors that i have run through
>
>Only folks I've heard argue for drilled/slotted rotors are either
>people who don't do more than street driving, or those who are
>selling 'em.  Rarely in street driving do you get pads so hot that
>you need the slots/holes.
>
>Ask the age-old acid test.  "If slots/holes are so good, why is there
>only one automotive manufacturer who uses them?"(Porsche.)
>
>>i used drileld rotors on the 5thou for about 2 years altogether, and
>>they wre great. didnt break, crack, eat pads at an alarming rate,
>>nuthin. and i drove this big heavy car very hard for 2 years rather
>>abusively.
>
>
>A 5000 is far from a "big heavy car" these days, nor are they
>tremendously powered at 165-ish hp tops unmodified.  They weigh under
>3000lb if I'm not mistaken- featherweight compared to almost every
>Audi model made in the last 10 years.  My 200q20v is -several-
>hundred pounds heavier than your 5000, but only 30lb more than an S4,
>and several hundred pounds(at least) lighter than an A8.
>
>
>>  one big sell point was that because they were anodized, they
>>actually stayed nice and shiny and didnt get all rusty. i will def.
>>use them on my next car.
>
>I don't give a hoot about how shiny they are, since, among other
>things, you can barely see 'em anyway(in fact, you cannot see them on
>the fronts.)  Besides, after a couple of stops, they'll look nice and
>shiny again.
>
>Anodizing seems pretty silly for the pad contact surface, since the
>anodizing will last all of ten miles.  It will, however, keep the
>vented channels clear of rust.  Makes sense, I suppose.  I just used
>a little high-temp ceramic paint from Autozone for $3, sprayed a
>little inside the vents and other non-braking-surface areas.
>
>
>>>I've seen the evidence first-hand; a qclub instructor tried all
>>>sorts of things on his 90q20v, including slotted rotors and drilled
>>>rotors. They came off the car looking like a disaster- stress
>>>cracks, slots full of brake pad material+rust...you know what he
>>>did?  Did the G60 upgrade(I believe) and solid rotors.
>>>
>>
>>was he racing it? or just street driving it?
>
>The qclub doesn't race.  I'm talking high-speed driver education
>events.  Top speeds can be(depending upon car, driver) triple digits
>and braking can be from triple digit speeds to 40, 50 mph.
>
>
>>this is another argument i want to believe, and really sounds super,
>>but when i asked all over the place NOONE ever had, or knew of, a ss
>>brake line bursting.
>
>Ask people who race or have been doing track driving for a long time.
>Ask race shops(that don't sell aftermarket parts.)  Ask "I have a
>street car, I don't do any on-track driving, not even driver
>education events.  Should I use stainless steel lines?"
>
>The majority of answers will be along the lines of: "No.  They're not
>appropriate for street use."  The things they say will ring a number
>of bells.
>
>
>>>>mintex pads
>>>
>>>Can't comment on aftermarket pads, only to say I'm quite happy with
>>>my stock(ATE?) pads on my UFO-equipped 200q20v.  I have heard the
>>>mintex name frequently- I think someone on the 200q20v list runs
>>>them on his G60-equipped 200q20v when he does track events.
>>>
>>
>>dude, ate pads SUCK worse than anything on earth.
>
>Sorry, that's not what people who sell pads tell me.  Further, if the
>"suck worse than anything on earth", why are they stock on a LOT of
>ver expensive cars?  You've been hanging around with boy-racers too
>much; it's a crowd continuously convinced that their car's
>manufacturer shafted them on the quality of absolutely everything,
>blessed with the supreme arrogance to think they know better than
>teams of engineers, and as a result make their cars handle and
>perform worse than stock.
>
>   Any time someone has to say "suck", it's because they don't have
>any legitimate reasons- ie, they don't know what they're talking
>about.  Come back to me with numbers, not "the performance is CRAP".
>Come back to me with compound names and manufacturers, not "they suck
>worse than anything on earth".
>
>
>>  they make a MESS out of wheels in about 12 minutes. the performance
>>is CRAP compared to a decent set of agressive street pads, and they
>>dont make any dust! id gladly change them 3 times more often and get
>>no improvement in braking or pedal feel to not have to spend 2 hours
>>every saturday with a toothbrush in my bbs's to keep them from
>>looking like they got caught in a flamethrower [black+sooty]. do
>>yourself a favor and get a good set of pads. your rotors and your
>>detailer will thank you.
>
>Well, i was running some nice open wheels in the summer that were a
>breeze to clean, until two bent- last time I do 17" wheels, that's
>for sure- just not appropriate for NE.  With a durable wax, intact
>finish, and proper cleaning schedule using good wheel cleaner, brake
>dust is easily dealt with.  Most stock BBS rims are impossible to
>keep clean because the finish is totally trashed- mine included...and
>few people bother to wax them, or clean them often enough.
>
>Further- my rotors cost a fortune, and my calipers use an unusually
>large, hard to find pad- it's expensive to get different pad
>compounds, sometimes you even need to send in a set of old backing
>plates.  Some places don't stock the right pad, nor will they apply
>their compound to a user-provided set of plates.
>
>   I don't want grabby pads(take a driver education event with the
>club, you'll understand why), I don't want pads that will chew my
>rotors to pieces since they cost $200+ each, I don't want pads that
>perform worse than stock when wet or cold...the list goes on.  Few
>pads come out on top after that list of conditions, and I have
>neither the time, interest, or wallet to set about trying to find
>them.  I attend driver education events so infrequently that
>non-street pads make no sense; further, I'm there to learn how to
>drive my car to make me a better driver on the street.  If I'm not
>using the same pads, I'm not learning with the same equipment I'd be
>using in the real world.  Hence- pointless.
>
>Brett
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