2.5l 5cyl via diesel crank and smaller bore

[Pantelis Giamarellos]

Wisely spoken 0.2 Euros I guess.

How about an estimate of the cost for around 440 bhp from the RS2 engine?

Take care
Pantelis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihnea Cotet" <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
To: <JShadzi at aol.com>; "Todd Phenneger" <tquattroguy at yahoo.com>;
<pantg at otenet.gr>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: 2.5l 5cyl via diesel crank and smaller bore


> Javad, Todd, Pantelis,
>
> 500 HP, even on an RS2 engine, with real long term reliability is *not
that
> easy* to achieve. First off because the Motronic can't calculate a long
> enough injector opening time of 16ms at 6k and 14ms at 7k. It need serious
> tuning with not that much error margin and freaking big injectors too.
> Plus, the cold side it would need would have to be something like a T04
> 60-1 trim combined with a turbonetics #8 K26 hot side (which is about as
> big as a standard Sport quattro K27 #7 hot side) as well as ideally an MTM
> S1 EM or a tubular one.
>
> Everything is possible, but the main issue remains the budget, 440 safe
and
> reliable HP can be done for pretty little money compared to what it would
> take in order to make 500 or 500+....
>
> Just my 0.02 Euros,
>
>
> Mihnea
>
> At 12:15 17/09/2003 -0400, JShadzi at aol.com wrote:
> >If you build that motor up right, no reason you can't have 5-600hp out of
> >it if you wanted, heck, I'm getting close to 400 out of a distributor
> >ignition'ed 10v, a direct fire RS2 motor with rods, the right turbo, and
> >of course the proper management can make 500 crank easy.
> >
> >The difference between an "alleged 360" and 400hp is small to say the
> >least, I completely agree with Todd, I'd make 500 your goal for this
project.
> >
> >Javad
> >
> > >Right,
> > >  But if he is gonna spend the time and money to say, Extrude
> > >HOne and P&P the head and EM, put a Ceramic Ball bearing T3/T4
> > >Turbo on there, and who knows what else, why not shoot for a
> > >little more than 400.  I guess thats what I'm saying.  With a
> > >similar setup, simply moving to the T3/T4 and then doing some
> > >serious chip tuning Alex and Ned ended up with a 4ktq that was
> > >WAY more powerful than it was before.  We did not Dyno the car,
> > >but it was around 380hp before the mods and was maxed out.
> > >After the changes I'm guessing the car jumped to at least 450hp
> > >as it was MUCH MUCH faster.
> > >  I hear everything your saying, I just feel that if one is
> > >going to spend lots of dough on upgrades and custome rods they
> > >may as well aim a little higher.
> > >l8r
> > >  Todd
> > >
> > >--- Mihnea Cotet <mik at info.fundp.ac.be> wrote:
> > >> At 00:26 17/09/2003 -0700, Todd Phenneger wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >   Anyhow, my Point was why shoot for 400hp when he is so
> > >> close.
> > >> >Might as well go for more and see a noticable improvement.
> > >>
> > >> Because the difference between 380 HP at the
> > >> reliability/efficiency limits
> > >> of a turbo is sooooo big when you compare it to 400 HP with a
> > >> turbo that is
> > >> at 80%+ efficiency and no reliability issues. 380 safe and
> > >> reliable HP in
> > >> the long run is almost impossible for an RS2 turbo, except if
> > >> there's a big
> > >> IC, very good exhaust with no cats and possibly some head work
> > >> done, BTDT
> > >> on the dyno.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >>
> > >> Mihnea
>
>