quattro digest, Vol 1 #5394 - 8 msgs

[John Larson]

And it's a 2 door!  John
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>    1. tire sidewall (Pedro Faria)
>    2. RE:[s-cars] Hose clamps (TM)
>    3. Re:tire sidewall (Zsolt)
>    4. Timing belt alignment problem (Kurt W. Deschler)
>    5. Re:Hose clamps (James at ringsperformance.com)
>    6. 20v tubular exhaust manifold fitting (iain.atkinson at tesco.net)
>    7. Injectors (Yoder, Doug)
>    8. Re:4000q max tire size 17'' (Todd Phenneger)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Pedro Faria" <quattrocs at hotmail.com>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: tire sidewall
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:46:23 -0400
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I have a question as to picking correct wheel and tire combo, i know many
of
> you have probably been where i am now
>
> i have a 4kq with oem tire-wheel setup, which means that i have
195/60-14 -
> having a @4.5" sidewall
>
> i'm going to do the 4x108 lug pattern to the more popular and better 5x112
> which according to my mechanic the spindle from a 5ktq is swapable to the
> rear of a 4kq, but not the front - needs some machine shop and welder
> involvement
>
> when i do that i need to get different rims
>
> which brings me to the point of it all,  is 3" side wall on a 17" rim too
> small, for mainly worry free pothole hit, or smooth mostly bump free
driving
> confort
>
> and is 205/40-17 too narrow of a tire for a 7" or 7.5" wide rim
> or is 225/35-17 too wide of a fit.  I checked all of these tire sizes with
> tire calculator ar miata.net
> so size compatability is not my question, ultimatly is a the sidewall too
> small, and/or will there be any tire protection for the rim
> the car has the eibach coil over and koni adjustables
>
> and yes i have been reading all the post on the 17" rim size for the
4000q,
> mainly i woudl like peoples opinions and the choices on their particular
> cars
>
> Thanks a million
> Pedro
> 4kq
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:10:18 -0400
> From: TM <t44tq at mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Hose clamps
> To: 'Igor Kessel' <igor at s-cars.org>,
> 'Audi S-list' <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Cc: 'Audi Q-list' <quattro at audifans.com>
>
> Igor-
> I've been using the Turbonetics t-bolt clamps for quite some time
> now without any problems. I'm not running as much boost, maybe that
> is the reason?
>
> The Turbonetics clamps are something like 10-12mm wide, I also recall
> that they can be had from a different source for significantly less
> than what they (or ECS) asks.
>
> If anyone is going to buy some clamps, I want to have a couple extras-
> one for the lower intercooler hose.
>
> Taka
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:41:28 -0600
> From: Zsolt <zsolt1 at telusplanet.net>
> To: Pedro Faria <quattrocs at hotmail.com>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: tire sidewall
>
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Just one comment. 205 wide tires should be ok, for 7" rims. It is the
> stock size on the 84-89 Porsche 911 Carrera. You can also use 225 on
> that rim, (although it is not recommended) a lot of Porsche guys do so.
> IMO, you should go 205 mm.
>
> Also, 225 wide tires are stock on the 2000-2003 S4 Avus style wheels
> that are 17x7.5.
>
> Cheers,
>  Zsolt
>
> Pedro Faria wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I have a question as to picking correct wheel and tire combo, i know
> > many of
> > you have probably been where i am now
> >
> > i have a 4kq with oem tire-wheel setup, which means that i have
> > 195/60-14 -
> > having a @4.5" sidewall
> >
> > i'm going to do the 4x108 lug pattern to the more popular and better
> > 5x112
> > which according to my mechanic the spindle from a 5ktq is swapable to
the
> > rear of a 4kq, but not the front - needs some machine shop and welder
> > involvement
> >
> > when i do that i need to get different rims
> >
> > which brings me to the point of it all,  is 3" side wall on a 17" rim
too
> > small, for mainly worry free pothole hit, or smooth mostly bump free
> > driving
> > confort
> >
> > and is 205/40-17 too narrow of a tire for a 7" or 7.5" wide rim
> > or is 225/35-17 too wide of a fit.  I checked all of these tire sizes
> > with
> > tire calculator ar miata.net
> > so size compatability is not my question, ultimatly is a the sidewall
too
> > small, and/or will there be any tire protection for the rim
> > the car has the eibach coil over and koni adjustables
> >
> > and yes i have been reading all the post on the 17" rim size for the
> > 4000q,
> > mainly i woudl like peoples opinions and the choices on their particular
> > cars
> >
> > Thanks a million
> > Pedro
> > 4kq
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Kurt W. Deschler" <desch at WPI.EDU>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Timing belt alignment problem
>
> I am currently stuck at the end of my timing belt/waterpump/idler
> replacement project. I read that the procedure is to set the crank at TDC
> using the 0 mark on the flywheel then line up the dot on the back of the
> cam pulley with the valve cover surface. The problem is that the dot is
> never in line with this surface. It is either half a tooth above or below.
> I can't decide which setting is more correct. Furthermore, the distributor
> mark is lined up only when the cam pulley dot is 1.5 teeth above the valve
> cover surface. The anti-tampering plate is still on the distributor. Is it
> possible that the belt has been off a tooth its whole life or is the
> anti-tampering plate ever reinstalled? I don't know the history of the
> engine, but I assume that the timing belt and water pump were replaced at
> least once judging by their condition at the current 138k. Experts please
> help.
>
> Kurt Deschler
> '87 5kcstq
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> From: <James at ringsperformance.com>
> To: "Igor Kessel" <igor at s-cars.org>,
> "Audi S-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Cc: "Audi Q-list" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: Hose clamps
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:01:04 -0600
>
> Haudi,
>
> What you spoiled brats need is a smaller engine and less boost. Then you
wo=
> uldn't have these problems!!!
>
> Try something like http://www.clampco.com/products/sprload.htm and you'll
b=
> e blasting reliably. And if it's a "big" hose and you're running "high"
pre=
> ssure, you may need to add straps to hold the two components together.
That=
>  way, the straps take the axial load, and the hose takes only the sealing
l=
> oad. Note that your "strap" could be something as high-tech as a hose
clamp=
>  on each tube with a few wraps of bailing wire across the gap. Or you can
r=
> emove the tubes and bring them over so I can TIG a mount tab on. :-)
>
> cu, James Marriott
> '87 4kq (alias "late-B2 90q") with rare ersatz NG engine, 184k, 1.0 bar,
be=
> ing restored from rear-end total loss
> '89 200q (MC1, ProconTen/no bag, 1.8 blah blah), 154k, already been
un-tota=
> led
> Boise, ID, USA     http://www.webpak.net/~marriott/
> www.ringsperformance.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Kessel" <igor at s-cars.org>
> To: "Audi S-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Cc: "Audi Q-list" <quattro at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Hose clamps
>
>
> > Folks,
> > I've been sucessefully using the SS, rolled clamps from McMaster for my
> > hoses. Now with the full Samco treatment under the hood I have made a
> > sad discovery. The hoses work themselves loose within a couple of
> > months. Last time the hose blew off at 7,000 and 24 psi of boost as I
> > was racing a neu S4. With a very loud "POP" to my embarassment. It's the
> > one which connects to the BOV thru the barb to the turbo-to-crosspipe. I
> > fixed it on the side of the road with the phillips screwdriver to the
> > joy of the onlookers.
> > Last night as I was changing the oil I decided to go over all of the
> > clamps with the 7mm socket just for the hell of it. Guess what? Every
> > damn hose clamp was loose! They turn into regular mainetence items. What
> > a PITA! I feel this is happening because the Si Samco hoses are so sleek
> > to the touch.
> >
> > So, the inquiring minds would like to know what the cat's meow in the
> > world of the turbo hose clamps?
> >
> > --
> > Igor Kessel
> > two turbo quattros
>
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> Message: 6
> From: <iain.atkinson at tesco.net>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: 20v tubular exhaust manifold fitting
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:32:46 +0000
>
> Folks
>
> i have now got my manifold ready to go on does anyone know if it will slot
=
> between the airflow meter and inlet manifold (car is 1990 90 20v q) or is
t=
> here some other tortous method of getting this on the car.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Iain
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> From: "Yoder, Doug" <yoderw at msoe.edu>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:39:12 -0400
> Subject:  Injectors
>
> Got a few questions about CIS injectors (from a 1987 NF engine)
>
> 1. When doing the injector spray test, all 5 injectors seem to spray
> pretty good, and pretty even... but they also spray when the airflow
> plate is all the way closed.  I don't *think* they should do that,
> but... am I right?
> 2. Car is '87 5ks (not t, not q) with 2.3l NF engine. I was expecting to
> see the black plastic injector shrouds, but there was no evidence of
> their existance.  Did this engine use the plastic shrouds? (I'll check
> ETKA when I get to my other computer)
>
> Thanks,
> -Doug
> --
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> |    Doug Yoder    |   wdy at zordok.net   |    http://www.zordok.net/    |
> *------------------*--------------------*------------------------------*
> |  Don't tell me the sky's the limit...                                |
> |                                  ...there's footprints on the moon.  |
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Todd Phenneger <tquattroguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: 4000q max tire size 17''
> To: Antti Piirainen <antti.piirainen at iki.fi>
> Cc: quattro at audifans.com
>
> Antti,
>   I agree with you on the camber values and its correlation to
> wheel placement.  Obviously the arc of travel will be different.
>  But the Shocks 90% of the lowered 4kqs out there run are no
> different than stock travel wise.  They have the same
> compression limits and the tire will travel just as far up into
> the wheel well.
>   If the tire rubbing is at the top of the WHeel Arch then
> certainly the camber values will be crucial.  HOwever, I am
> hearing that they are rubbing on the front of the rear Bumper.
> That is closer to the Centerline of the wheel, where camber
> changes are not going to be noticed, or if noticable will be a
> fraction of the what they are at the top of the wheel.
>   Am I missing something
> l8r
>   Todd
>
>
> --- Antti Piirainen <antti.piirainen at iki.fi> wrote:
> > Todd Phenneger wrote:
> >
> > > Antti,
> > >   Lowered or not, Tires still will compress to the same
> > point.
> > > Even at stock height, go over a bump and yoru rub in the
> > same
> > > spots as a lowered car.
> >
> > Actually, the McPherson adaptation with a single triangular
> > arm and a
> > tie rod - as is the case in the rear of the 4kq/Cq - causes
> > the Camber
> > to vary at different points of suspension travel. Even if the
> > wheel
> > alignment is performed under a simulated load state with the
> > front
> > raised and the rear under compression, the stock suspension
> > doesn't
> > reach the depths shorter springs and shock absorbers will at
> > the point,
> > especially if they have any progression in them.
> >
> > The difference in the "zero" position of the rear suspension
> > arms at the
> > alignment procedure also provides an offset to the Camber
> > values at the
> > same suspension arm angles in stock vs. short springs. The
> > difference
> > can be very small but also very crucial. It's the same as when
> > you
> > notice your Cambers are -2 degrees off at the alignment
> > position after
> > installing lowering springs.
> >
> > --
> > Antti Piirainen
> > 87 Cq
> >
> >
>
>
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