timing marks made the engine knocking

[SJ]

You have something screwey going on.

With timing marks all properly aligned, take a look at the distributor.
The rotor must be aligned with the notch in the edge of the distributor
body.
Now position the distributor cap on the distributor body. The rotor should
be lined up with the contact for #1 spark plug.
The plug wire from this contact should go to #1 plug.
Who the hell knows, maybe you have the wrong cap or something. Or the cap
has been mounted backwards or something.

When you change the valve timing, you are also changing the distributor
timing.
Moving the camshaft also moves the distributor shaft. The two are linked
together by gears.
The piston is at top dead center, but the plug wont fire because the
distributor rotor has turned and the rotor aint pointing at the #1 contact
anymore.

If you are going to fart around with the valve timing, then you need to keep
the spark timing correct by turning the distributor so the rotor lines up
with the distributor body notch. To do this, you need to grind off that
rivet on the distributor lock down clamp.

SJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
To: "SJ" <syljay at optonline.net>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine knocking


  Timing belt adjustment:

  I followed the Bentley procedure and from others guys here.
  Order of work:
  1. Align crank timing marks in back of engine, at 0, same as front crank
pulley.
  2. check and align camshaft sprocket; mark to the upper edge of the head
gasket
  3. check and align distributor; !!!


  Mark aligned to the mark, the engine wont start.
  2 teeth from the mark on the head, the engine is shaking. Almost as a
dragster, too much advance.
  3 teeth from the mark on the head, the engine is oscillating.(fuel problem
to be solved)

  When i take the timing light to the first cyl , the cam sprocket mark
indicate 180 degres to the head cover.
  The crank indicate about 15 degres back to the mark on the damper puller
cover.

  The engine is oscillate from 1000 to 1200RPM.
  With this more agressive timing the fuel problems are more apparent. The
oscilationsof the engine is more agressive....

  Must solved the timing first.

  I took the compression when engine was warming up, not cold.
  all 210psi.
  Ðenis
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: SJ
    To: Denis
    Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:28 PM
    Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine knocking




      Well, its getting complicated.
      Finally i started the car with all marks aligned.
      It does not start.
      It knocked for the first try last time, but now after couple engine
spin
    it was ok. Donno what was the knock sound.

      I must backup 3 or 4 teeth before it runs.

      When all marks are aligned does the rotor of the ignition is at 1st
    cylinder ?
    **** Yes, with all marks aligned. the dist rotor points to the "NOTCH"
on
    the dist housing. (The rotor indicate the distr connector, not the first
cyl. at all)

      Maybe with the wrong timing the distr cap was 180 degres out of range
? (it never been unsrewed, the bolt is covered)

      Where is loacated the two longer tits on the distr cap ? i just saw
it, after i posted.
    **** Cap only goes on one way.

      thanks again.

      Ðenis
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: SJ
        To: Denis
        Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:49 PM
        Subject: Re: timing marks made the engine knocking



        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: "Denis" <sparkplugvw at hotmail.com>
        To: "SJ" <syljay at optonline.net>; <quattro at audifans.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:28 PM
        Subject: timing marks made the engine knocking


          I just tried to put all mark on the pix.
          I cant get to the cam mark. It goes lower than the lower edge of
the
    head
        gasket or higher than the edge of the gasket witch is exactly at the
    mark on
        the metal sheet in front of the engine.
        **** Here is another way to check for crankshaft TDC.
        take out #1 plug
        rotate crank with wrench and socket until you feel compression in #1
    piston
        (use your finger)
        insert a straight wire or long pencil . .anything . .into spark plug
    hole
        and bottom it out on the piston top
        now turn crank back and forth while looking at the wire until you
have
    no
        more movement . .this should be TDC .
        Check the timing mark on the flywheel . . .it should be aligned to
the
    "0"

          I made couple turn to check if anything is touching. Was ok, the
    valves
        dont touched pistons.
        *****Your engine is non-interference . .piston will never touch the
    valves.

          I crancked the engine, but i did only one try, just to try if
anything
    is
        still ok.
          And the engine did not like it, it knock alot on the first
turn......
    too
        much advance and seems valves touched pistons a little.

          So i ll put back at the mark that was before.

          engine:     2.3 NA
          car:         100Q 1989
          injection:    CSI-3
          Ðenis