[urq] Re: Audi's Future-5 L future rant

Fri Mar 26 14:29:15 EST 2004

According to Autoweek, GM is looking to "rice" out that truck with tuners.
Their target vehicle is the Pontiac Vibe GT, Mustang V6 and PT cruiser GT. 

Steve

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>[mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marinello
>Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:03 AM
>To: Brandon Rogers; a.sigal at bluewin.ch
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>Subject: RE: [urq] Re: Audi's Future-5 L future rant
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>The new Chevy Colorado and GMC whatever-it-is trucks have I5's 
>standard.
>
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>Behalf Of Brandon Rogers
>Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:45 AM
>To: a.sigal at bluewin.ch
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>Subject: Re: [urq] Re: Audi's Future-5 L future rant
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>Well here in the State ISTR reading article that said the 
>Chevy YES CHEVY Blazer or some similar vehicle was supposed to 
>have an I-5 as one of the options.  Go figure.
>
>That said I think that I see where Audi is coming from WRT 
>dropping the I-5. My thoughts:  It seems they are committing 
>themselves to front-to-back mounted engines, Golf-based models 
>not included, (unlike Volvo who run transverse motors, 
>allowing longer block configurations), and the I-5 seems 
>awfully long for hanging off the front axle.  The 4 cylinder 
>and V-configurations are shorter and allow more room for 
>radiator a packaging etc.  Also the shorter motors surely help 
>the weight distribution as Audi _tries_ to compete with BMW in 
>the handling dept.
>
>I love the I-5 as much as the next guy, for sure, but just 
>thought I'd share my thoughts (I'm sure I'm leaving out some 
>caveats and rationale etc, but oh well....
>
>Brandon
>
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>From: "Ado Sigal" <a.sigal at bluewin.ch>
>To: <brogers at terrix.com>
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>Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:39 AM
>Subject: [urq] Re: Audi's Future-5 L future rant
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>> Hi all
>>
>> Well, never seen so many posts regarding Audi
>> future, and you all have a point, but regarding our
>> beloved 5 cyl motor, now considered one of the most successful Audi 
>> ever made, and one that made Audi, nothing was mentioned.
>> The other week, I visited Geneva Motor Show, where
>> to my astonishment, found that Audi completely
>> stopped using 5 cyl motor thought entire range, but
>> included 6.o litre / 12 cyl / 450 HP - A8q model.
>> There is 4, 6, 8 and 12 cyl configuration, but 5 is
>> out for good it seems.
>> I somewhat naively expected them to further refine 5
>> L motor to induce it into something that would
>> reassemble never surpassed Urq, but found exactly
>> opposite, no more flagship motor news.
>> Five L configuration has being continued by many who
>> learned from Audi experience, yet dropped by Audi??
>> So 5 L still lives with Volvo, Alfa, Fiat, Lancia,
>> Chrysler, Land Rover, and guess who, Volkswagen.
>> All the motors are very nice, mainly DITD setup.
>> Alfa produced 1.9 JTD with whole 150 lovely diesel
>> horses in it. Other motors produce 170-175 HP from
>> mainly 2.4-2.5 litres. Austrian Chrysler plugged in
>> a 2.7 TD motor into Jeep Grand Cher. with
>> unremarkable 163 HP, while on the bottom of the pile
>> with 5 cyl motor that needs no mentioning, belongs
>> to Land Rover.
>> Volvo need a special mention, because they are doing
>> diesel and petrol versions of 5 cyl motor. One
>> closely reassembles our 20V, where 2.0 litre turbo
>> motor is producing lovely 220 horses, mated to V 50
>> TS, while the other is barking out whole 300 horses,
>> from 2.5 litre motor that lives in V 70 R AWD, which
>> doesn't look bad at all, from any angle.
>> Now a total surprise that I found on VW stand was
>> the most sophisticated 5 cyl one could ever wish
>> for. All alloy, double cam, direct injection, turbo
>> D motor, with hydro mechanical VVT, and finally, the
>> gear camshaft actuation, producing very conservative
>> 174 HP @ 3500 revs., mated to 6 speed box and of
>> course AWD and adjustable air suspension, that lives
>> in Touareg body. Other than Touareg, this motor is
>> only used in Multivan Highline thing, and no other
>> bodies at all.
>> Don't know what the others think, but drop the most
>> sophisticated motor like this in favour of VW whole
>> two model range, is very stupid and its going to
>> reflect badly on Audi in the long run.
>> For god sake, just another hole in the head, and one
>> could have direct injection petrol motor with very
>> little other changes, easily produce 250 HP and more
>> in uncharged version, let apart super or turbo
>> charging this jewel, but that's me dreaming. Mind
>> you, it would be interesting to see a really
>> sophisticated first diesel sports car with AWD and
>> air suspension and all. No more bend valves, or need
>> to change belts and chains at all, ever. Engine
>> always as sharp, and with something like 200 or
>> thereabout horses @ 3500 revs and 450 Nm @ 2000
>> revs, could get one to many places very fast indeed.
>> One thing I am sure though, my old Urq means to me
>> much more than before visiting this motor show, and
>> learning of Audi's grave mistake. I know now, that
>> Urq and I are going to be close friends for long
>> time to come, after which an RS2 might even become a
>> collectors item.
>> What you think boys and girls, regarding loss of
>> Famous Five.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ado
>>
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