EFI Megasquirt vs. 034

[Jim Green]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 02:14:11 -0500, Cody Forbes <cody at 500tq.com> wrote:
> jesper moreau wrote:
> > I've seen a bit from several of you reguarding EFI'ing your cars. I am
> > quite interested in going EFI. I am also interested in keeping my car
> > somewhat reliable. I have visited 034 and megasquirts websites and see
> > there may be somewhat of a learning curv reguardless of the fact that
> > I'm rather mechanically inclined. I would love to chat to someone if
> > not several people reguarding going EFI and EFI as an application to
> > what mods I have already done!
> 
> I am an MS advocate. It's the greatest thing since the wheel. I run MS with
> the dual table code (which was writen by a 5ktq owner, and member of the
> Quattro list!) on my '87 5ktq producing something in the area of 475-500hp.
> 
> I know this isn't going to go over too well with a lot listers because Javad
> is well respected arround here, but I am one to speak my mind so here goes
> (Jim don't hate me please, heh). When I was considering going EFI I asked
> arround just like you are, and one of the responces was from Javad, the
> owner of 034. He didn't want to give me information, he wanted to sell me
> things. That turned me off to Javad completely, and I have since tried to
> give him a few second chances. Every time I ask him a question the reply
> isn't "oh yeah that would work and you could do...", his reply is "well if
> you bought my special turbo...", which really pisses me off.
> 
> The 034 system does work great for alot of people, Jim Green included. Jim
> has a 90q with an MC1 engine in it producing a ton of power (last I heard
> was close to ~475hp iirc). Jim I am sure will respond to your post, and with
> great info. He has helped me through my project more then any other person,
> and he always has a good understanding of what you are trying to accomplish
> so listen to what he says very openly and you will be better for it.

Nothing like a little competition to make cars go faster:)  EFI
Megasquirt vs. 034 should be changed to DIY Megasquirt vs. aftermarket
EFI.  To single out Javad as the only competition doesn't quite work
here.  034EFI should be grouped together with Haltech, Autronic,
Motec, Link, AEM, etc...   They all have state of the art ECU's that
will work very well once tuned and installed properly.  Now out of all
of those people, I doubt you will find anyone that even comes close to
having the support for Audi's and VW's that 034EFI has.  That's why
you want to go with them.  I have a MS sitting in my drawer right now,
but it never has appealed to me for some reason.  I have a great
relationship with Javad that has allowed me to do alot of these silly
things to my car.  Cody, all the help I've given you, probably came to
me from Javad at some point;)  Javad is a busy man these days, he
definitely isn't around as much anymore.  He's been working on his
20vt trying to get it to 500 whp, uncorrected.  Hell, he's already at
455, at the freaken wheels!  One of the great things about the system,
just keep putting on larger turbo's till you get there:)

Now, to the original question.  Installing and tuning is going to be
similar regardless of what system you go with.  There's just an extra
step with MS, and that's building it, and troubleshooting little
things like trigger signals, and uploading code.  If you're OK with
that stuff, give MS a try.  I seem to screw up enough things outside
of the ECU, that I'm glad that's one piece I never have to worry
about.

-- 
Jim Green
'89 90tq
'89 80q
http://www.mswanson.com/~jgreen/car_home.html